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Changing the subject slightly I used to like spangles the black current ones best

you make some very good points there sixties, I especially like the point about the business and trainers example, it's exactly what am talking about about the divide, as soon as there is more demand the price of the trainers increases which doesn't help the loyal customer who bought them before they were fashionable, bit like the local fans now being priced out because the club has become global which helps the business as in FSG and there profits but it's at the expense of match going fans because of price hikes.

When you talk about the demise of the atmosphere during games now do you think that's because over the years we have lost more and more of our identity because the global fanbase had grown, just a thought. I mean when I went with my mates years ago we stood alongside the same sort of people who shared the same things in life as you whereas nowadays it's full of tourists, day trippers and people from all over the place who you don't know, maybe can't understand because there foreign or you don't have anything to relate you to them, your less likely to sing and make an atmosphere on your own, just a thought.
A big one regarding atmosphere has to be the end of terracing that was the main thing that created atmosphere and encouraged bonding and singing...

I think it has a bit to do with if you feel comfortable too, if you go and sit or stand with your mates you are more likely to let yourself go a bit and maybe sing more, but when you are sitting next to a person who has come just for a visit has bags of merchandise from the club shop between his knees and doesn't know the words you probably feel a bit less likely to sing. I do think when the identity of the Club went with the demise of the local fanbase and the increase of the global fanbase it effected atmosphere terribly, you only have to look at United they have always been hammered for poor atmosphere and its no coincidence they were more globaly challenged before we were...

the all seater stadium, fans not being able to be together and no alcohol has had a big effect on atmosphere but also the demise of the local fanbase was crucial as the club was built on the back of it as it was our identity...

a few years ago I would of agreed with you there but certainly not now, locals are simply not interested, last few seasons few of my mates have not been able to attend matches through one reason or another and have asked me to get rid off tickets on there behalf, I ask around work to fellow red and none of them want them, wont pay 60 quid or cant be bothered now.

I will try and give you an insight to local fans persepective now regarding Liverpool F.C. and the differences to Everton fans in the City, you can agree or disagree.
Because over the years the ticket prices of our club are so high think there the third highest in the country, locals got priced out and this is where Out of Town and foreign fans came in. If you want to see a local Liverpool fan on a match day then you have to go to a pub around the ground or where they live, I see them walking to the pubs on my the way to the grounds If you look at it from a locals point of view now, he can go the pub, sit in the warm with his mates, talk and have a chat, watch the football on one screen, put a bet on and watch the racing on the other, come out the pub after about 6 or 7 hours of drinking and having a laugh with his mates and then get a chippy meal on the way home, this will cost him about 30 quid, whereas going to the match on his own costs 60 quid, there in no comparasson.
because a local does this week in week out he gets into the habbit so when tickets do become available he's in his own routine and doesn't want to bother, not blaming him,
I also think with no new young fans coming through then this will come back and bite us big time, local kids either buy playstation games as they cant but tickets because of price or availability or they go to watch Everton because that Club embraces young locals with the way it distributes tickets making them easier for kids to get.
Just my take on it anyway...