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Making death threats to MP,s is not a british value for example this was never the case before corbyn and his thugs and enforcers. If you dont like britain red john then we have some great airports why not try them out ?

It's not about him not wanting to drop bombs but being a fukking soft idiot. I happen to think that dropping the bombs on their own is the wrong thing to do. But doing nothing is also the wrong thing to do as it can also cause disaffection leading to extremism.

And we also don't want shoot outs on the streets. But what we do want is for our families to be safe. If there is someone threatening to blow themselves and possibly 100's of others up, I want our security services to be able to shoot the cvnt in the head so they can't! Shooting them in the arm or tazering or going up to them with a truncheon will do nothing. If it saves my family then so be it. I'd do it myself if I had a gun. If you don't want that for your family then I pity them.

Dropping bombs and invading muslim lands leads to extremism, which leads to acts like Paris. They're murdering scum, but they're quite clear in what we've done wrong. Intelligence reports say the same thing, we're going to incite hatred. Hard to accept, but the government don't care about you, or them. Iraq was oil, this time it's probably gas.

For my family to be safe, it would be better not to incite radical groups like this. Better not to arm these countries. Better not to meddle in these coutries and even more so when people like the Russians are involved.

I'm not here to argue, there's no easy answer, but why don't people ask what's led to this. They haven't sprouted out the ground. Religious wars are thousands of years old but they don't recruit people by saying 'look, it's in this old book', or 'look what they did to us 700 years ago'.
It's like throwing people in jail for using drugs, it's the wrong solution and we're not looking at the cause.

I don't actually know much about Corbyn, but I doubt he's 'against' the armed forces (it's always with or against isn't it?), part of it is probably not wanting young soldiers getting blown up to make rich men richer. Sounds reasonable.

SP - I realise I'm lucky to have been born here, doesn't mean I have to nod like a sheep at every government act. How about if you want to fight IS, I buy you a plane ticket? Deal?

There was one bloke on Question Time last night (can't remember his name) but he was a member of an extremist group because the west did nothing about the slaughter of Muslims in Bosnia I think it was so was saying than no action can also lead to disaffection and lead to Muslims joining these extremist groups. It is a very complex situation and doing nothing isn't an option but also bombing shouldn't be the only action.

As for arming them, yes, with hindsight we shouldn't have. But we did and we need to deal with it with whatever force is necessary if it comes to our shores. Shooting a suicide bomber in the leg will not stop him setting his bomb off and killing people.

Maajid. Narwaz. He is been on question time before and talks sense this is a guy an ex jihadi and by the sound of it one of the more intelligent ones. He said several times bombing in Syria is necessary to contain IS and he would have voted for it but it's not the only solution. He also said we are getting too hung up on what went on before we must deal with the situation we have now which is not necessarily identical to what went on before especially in the Middle East which is immensely complex. I pretty much agreed with every word the guy said Caroline Lucas and Diane abbot were beyond pathetic and both are stealing a living.

Muslim Islamic's 'ey? Awesome.

You crack me up!

I don't know too much about Bosnia but it doesn't take much research to realise there's a lot more to the story than that and most certainly the West were involved.

"United States and CIA which conveniently “overlooked” 8,000 of the most brutal and fanatical Islamists to enter Bosnia on false passports in order to slit the throats of Orthodox Christians"

Sounds like more manipulation on behalf of the US to accomplish their goals.

Did anyone read Nicolas Henin's article in the Independant?

Held captive for 10 months after being a journalist in the area. Seems to talk sense...

'The winner of this war will not be the party that has the newest, the most expensive or the most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to win over people'

“We are just fuelling our enemies and fuelling the misery and disaster for the local people.”

“What we have to do – and this is really key – is we have to engage the local people. As soon as the people have hope for a political solution, the Islamic State will just collapse.

He also said we fell for the trap after they attacked Paris and called for closed borders. Same as people on here who claim we're inviting the terrorists onto our streets.

So we just have to think of some idea no one has ever thought of in the years of the Vienna UN discussions explain to it local people and Islamic state disappear no need for military intervention at all. That sounds plausible. And all the bad people in the world stop being bad and be nice and all wars stop? While we wait for that Islamic state carry on their brutality.