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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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No seriously, do explain...why do you expect people to condemn radical islam but not radical christianity.

They have all condemned the terrorist acts already.


Radical Christianity ? I am sure it exists but are you saying this is on a level with radical Islam ? And we should call it quits ?


Do you not remember the christian suicide bombs in the Yemen?

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We've had the Muslim community condemning it on a regular basis Sixties


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Or the US figured it was their chance and didn't say anything for 7 months. Wouldn't have been hard to tell him to withdraw.

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Well I guess we'll never know for sure will we?

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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In the 2000's Syria told US intelligence they had an islamic fundamentalist problem, rising terroist groups etc.. they offered to use their experience and intelligence to weed them out. The US ignored them. They want to create these wars, as hard as that it to swallow. Sorry, anyone who thinks the US wants to spread democracy is very, very naive. You could argue it's impossible to have a capitalist democracy.

Regarding Kuwait, the US told Sadam he should consider re-drawing his borders with Kuwait. It's assumed he took this as 'invade'. As soon as the US objected, he tried to withdraw. Too late, the US put troops in Saudi Arabia and used it as an excuse to teach Sadam a lesson and show the world it's military muscle.
Sadam was a b**tard. But he was our B**tard.

Regarding the middle east before Iraq - do some research. Britain/France has been messing with the whole place since WW1 when the beloved Churchill said Oil is the future and we should secure the reserves there. They screwed over Saudi princes, redrew the maps and screwed each other over too. It's been a battlefield ever since. Watch the documentary Blood & Oil if you can drag yourself away from American Gladiators.

One more point. During the 80's Russia had terroist attacks eminating from Afghanistan. When they withdrew... the attacks stopped. They still had them from Chechnya though...

Seriously can't believe countries funded and fueled by corporations, aren't interested in money. They don't care about deficit's by the way, they don't care about me or you. The rich are getting richer, despite what kind of 'deficit' the economy is in.

If it's still not obvious, look up what happens to a country after it stops using the petrodolar....


Generally what do you want us to do say it's all our fault and accept our fate ? Re your first two sentences America did want you want and did not get involved are you saying they should have got involved ? And I thought the Islamic terrorist problem started in 2003 after Iraq according to emp the Middle East world authority. Incidently emp said Pakistan was in the Middle East I researched it's, it's nothing of the sort so he appears not to fully know where the Middle East is. And finally I find it hard to believe Syria asked America anything in 2000 Syria is a strong proxy of Russia hence why Russia are going in now.


They should have worked with internal forces to quash the problem years ago, not waiting for it to spill over using their terroist group and drop bombs from airplanes on innocents. Civilians are being blown up already, what would you say to the parents? We're helping you build democracy!?

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Syria. A piece of land roughly the same size as the state of Washington and tonight Parliament debate whether to bomb it or not and I've no doubt they will vote in favour. There's lots of money to be made in war. David Cameron called everyone who opposes the bombing "terrorist sympathisers" and refuses to apologise and if you share this view whilst at the same time complaining about asylum seekers then you my friend are fvcking idiot and I'll tell you why;

1). Bombing hasn't worked - Russia, France and their various allies are already bombing Syria and the US has been for over a year so why still ISIS??

2) The refugees you despise and don't want "comin' over 'ere, bombin' us" are fleeing the bombs already being dropped. Drop more and create more refugees, it's basic maths really.

3) Bombs aren't intelligent, they don't know who to target, if you think killing innocent kids is OK then you're a cvnt.

4) No negotiation and no plan - Obviously you can't sit and have a brew with ISIS, they don't want anything from us apart from our destruction. However we can talk to the other gay hating, women demeaning, hand removing, back lashing, beheading group, Saudi Arabia, our allies and ask them to stop part funding ISIS. We could also ask them to stop giving the weapons we're selling them to ISIS and to also take some refugees in? Or maybe we could politely ask Turkey to stop buying their oil on the cheap?

5) Our Government aren't trying to protect us. Bombing without a plan creates terrorism, it's a vicious circle, you see, the thing about being bombed is that people don't like it. They hate it in fact and become quite resentful. We bombed Iraq without a plan, then we gave some rebels some money, training and weapons and left them to it. But the thing is, they resented us and some of them formed ISIS. If we get involved now then we're asking for more terrorist acts against us.

6) We're supposedly skint. The NHS is in tatters, people are using food banks, the severely disabled are killing themselves and front line services and police are being cut so how do we afford it?

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Yet it happens again and again in this way.

Many muslin groups deplored 9-11, many extreme groups. Bin laden was quite clear in saying it was retaliation for invasion of Muslin holy lands.

The worst thing is, the terroist threat is real and we're making it more and more likely groups will target us. More so, the likeliness of a more severe, even nuclear war, will increase from the battle for the middle east. Does anyone really think governments care about their people?

I don't know the answer, but dropping bombs and destroying a countries infrastructure, killing civilians, radicalising young muslims... See how Iraq's doing since we helped install democracy.

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Stan doesn't know his politics, Pakistan is now recognized as part of the Greater Middle East..it was classified as such by the right wing neocons and in intellectual circles it is classified as a Middle Eastern country -read American Orientalism or Said's Orientalism.

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Originally Posted By: EMP
Stan doesn't know his politics, Pakistan is now recognized as part of the Greater Middle East..it was classified as such by the right wing neocons and in intellectual circles it is classified as a Middle Eastern country -read American Orientalism or Said's Orientalism.


And you don't know your geography I notice a new term greater Middle East in your ramblings not the Middle East and I won't be reading American orientalism any time soon I prefer maps


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And it's a landslide for British military action in Syria at least half the labour MP,s voted a humiliation for Corbyn


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