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This conversation has moved to the Second World War what was the lessons of that ? That appeasement works ? having weak armed forces makes you safe ?

I think not and the same applies in 2015


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Anyone want to dispute Hitler himself? Here are the reasons for his invasion of Russia and it has not to do with Russian oil wells. It has something to do with Romanian oil wells though...

Some rare recordings of Hitler actually talking about his exact thoughts on the invasion of the Soviet Union. I can think of no better source of information to answer this subjective question other than the words of the man himself. This recording is a truly incredible piece of historical record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

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Here is a link to an English translation transcript of the recording which is a converstation between Adolf Hitler and President Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim of Finland.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Mannerheim/recording_040642_dt.html

In this translation Hitler describes his absolute disbelief of how well armed the Soviet Union was at the beginning of the war. Hitler describes how German tanks were not well equipped for winter fighting. He also describes what he calls the weakness of Italy, where the Germans helped them in North Africa and in Greece and Albania.

Directly quoting Hitler on his fear of an early war with Russia and the loss of valuable petroleum wells in Romania.

This all naturally was inevitable, you see. I had a conversation with Molotov [Soviet Minister] at that time, and i was absolutely certain that Molotov departed with the decision to begin a war, and I dismissed the decision to begin a war, and I dismissed him. This was only because the demands that man brought up were clearly aimed to rule, Europe in the end.

Already in the fall of 1940 we continuously faced the question, uh: shall we, consider a break up [in relations with the USSR]? At that time, I advised the Finnish government, to - negotiate and, to gain time and, to act dilatory in this matter - because I always feared - that Russia suddenly would attack Romania in the late fall - and occupy the petroleum wells, and we would have not been ready in the late fall of 1940. If Russia indeed had taken Romanian petroleum wells, than Germany would have been lost. It would have required - just 60 Russian divisions to handle that matter.

In Romania we had of course - at that time - no major units. The Romanian government had turned to us only recently - and what we did have there was laughable. They only had to occupy the petroleum wells. Of course, with our weapons I could not start a, war in September or October. That was out of the question. Naturally, the transfer to the east wasn't that far advanced yet. Of course, the units first had to reconsolidate in the west. First the armaments had to be taken care of because we too had - yes, we also had losses in our campaign in the west. It would have been impossible to attack - before the spring of 19, 41. And if the Russians at that time - in the fall of 1940 - had occupied Romania - taken the petroleum wells, then we would have been, helpless in 1941.

-Adolf Hitler


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
This conversation has moved to the Second World War what was the lessons of that ? That appeasement works ? having weak armed forces makes you safe ?

I think not and the same applies in 2015


The lesson we all should have learnt from WW2 is that we should never go to war again and cause the deaths of millions, a lesson many seem not to have learned, seeing as they are campaigning for a full scale war at the moment.


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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
This conversation has moved to the Second World War what was the lessons of that ? That appeasement works ? having weak armed forces makes you safe ?

I think not and the same applies in 2015


The lesson we all should have learnt from WW2 is that we should never go to war again and cause the deaths of millions, a lesson many seem not to have learned, seeing as they are campaigning for a full scale war at the moment.


Unfortunately it's in our nature to argue and fight and that's why there will never be peace while us humans are around. If you take all the weapons in the world away we'll just beat each other to death anyway.

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
This conversation has moved to the Second World War what was the lessons of that ? That appeasement works ? having weak armed forces makes you safe ?

I think not and the same applies in 2015


The lesson we all should have learnt from WW2 is that we should never go to war again and cause the deaths of millions, a lesson many seem not to have learned, seeing as they are campaigning for a full scale war at the moment.


I agree but it's not a question of choice is it otherwise there would never ever have been a war convince Islamic state and I will start to take you seriously


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You'll start taking me seriously when it begins to affect you...it's all good saying let's go to war, until war knocks on your front door.


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If you listen to emp it's all to do with neo conservative American racist rant rant rant

Yet we have a black president democrat without doubt the most left wing and non interventionist American president in history so he is hardly racist and hardly a warmonger yet under his watch Islamic terrorism has soared even though he pulled OUT of both Iraq and Afghanistan leaving only token forces in the latter.


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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
You'll start taking me seriously when it begins to affect you...it's all good saying let's go to war, until war knocks on your front door.


I agree put pulling the duvet over your head won't stop it


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And ninja it's already knocking on my door I live in an area under threat of Islamic terrorism ever day there have been lots of terror threats so far stopped by the security services and every time these days going to Manchester Trafford centre or the city centre people are looking over their shoulder yes it's not a full scale world war but hardly immune from it either most British cities are high risk but Manchester Birmingham London being the biggest are highest risk.


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'Yet we have a black president democrat without doubt the most left wing and non interventionist American president in history'

Classic.

I suppose also there's thousands of 'sleeper cell' terroists hiding in the UK, just waiting to strike! Lock your doors!!

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