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That's a good post imadk, but you miss the reason we gave away all those passports, we did it for cheap labour, and also to lessen the wages paid to home grown workers. Capital has no religion or nationality, it's all consuming (excuse the pun) interest is in profit, hence the movement towards globalisation. There are progressive elements in opening frontiers and in the mobility of labour, but those who are indoctrinated into supporting it are usually unconscious of either those positives or the real reason their elite overlords are promoting it, namely more profits. But you are right this insane persuit of profit will eventually destroy the very system and society that gave rise to it in the first place. Hence the shortsightedness of the people behind the policies.
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You're racist enough to be the leader of the BNP. Thank you for this deep analysis of my post. I would appreciate it if you could point out which part is contradictory with facts. Just the whole nationalist tone tbh. What people fail to realize is that our leaders could care less about us and terrorist threats we have to endure. Major studies are done on such issues..so the US and Uk govts knew the west would be subjected to huge increases in terrorism if they invaded iraq and they did it anyway. We all just following the military industries desires and oil companies greed. It has nothing to do with allowing different people into our countries..it has everything to do with blowing the [oops] out of the middle east and blocking UN solutions time and time again.
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That's a good post imadk, but you miss the reason we gave away all those passports, we did it for cheap labour, and also to lessen the wages paid to home grown workers. Capital has no religion or nationality, it's all consuming (excuse the pun) interest is in profit, hence the movement towards globalisation. There are progressive elements in opening frontiers and in the mobility of labour, but those who are indoctrinated into supporting it are usually unconscious of either those positives or the real reason their elite overlords are promoting it, namely more profits. But you are right this insane persuit of profit will eventually destroy the very system and society that gave rise to it in the first place. Hence the shortsightedness of the people behind the policies. They have no option, it's all about the dynamic of capitalism and they are as powerless to control that as we are to control them, the system bears within it the seeds of it's own destruction. The danger is that it will take us all with it, either through conflict or the destruction of the ecology and or the resources of the planet itself.
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You're racist enough to be the leader of the BNP. Thank you for this deep analysis of my post. I would appreciate it if you could point out which part is contradictory with facts. Just the whole nationalist tone tbh. What people fail to realize is that our leaders could care less about us and terrorist threats we have to endure. Major studies are done on such issues..so the US and Uk govts knew the west would be subjected to huge increases in terrorism if they invaded iraq and they did it anyway. We all just following the military industries desires and oil companies greed. It has nothing to do with allowing different people into our countries..it has everything to do with blowing the [oops] out of the middle east and blocking UN solutions time and time again. I agree with much of that but I honestly can't see how this makes me a racist, unless you're confusing racist with nationalist of course, and by the way, your reasoning does not explain the plight of Yizidis in Iraq
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nationalism and racism are pretty much the same thing. I don't understand your reference to the Yazidis, I never mentioned them? . If you are asking me about them then I would say the Kurds have long been one the most put upon people in the middle east. The west betrayed them so many times, kissinger more or less slaughtered them with his policies, we allowed saddam kill them when he was our friend and we have armed turkey to the teeth when they slaughter them.. Never been a great time to be a kurd recently.
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nationalism and racism are pretty much the same thing. I don't understand your reference to the Yazidis, I never mentioned them? . If you are asking me about them then I would say the Kurds have long been one the most put upon people in the middle east. The west betrayed them so many times, kissinger more or less slaughtered them with his policies, we allowed saddam kill them when he was our friend and we have armed turkey to the teeth when they slaughter them.. Never been a great time to be a kurd recently. Nationalism and racism are most definitely not the same thing. My reference to the Yizidis is to illustrate that not everything Islamic extremists do is necessarily a reaction to western politics as Yizidis have nothing to do with the west. It rather shows that Islamic extremism is on a fierce agenda to wipe away all ethnic groups that will not succumb to them, including Chrisians, Shiaa, and even those Sunnis who do not necessarily agree with them.
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Yeah thats what extremism is. we had it here in ireland too , when the uk fought the civil rights movement in the north the IRA went completely off the wall catholic radicals and punished there own people for going against the catholic church. Thats what happens when u squeeze people -extreme reactions. So we turned iraq into a murderous hell and thus the reaction. If you beat and starve a puppy the puppy will turn into a dangerous animal -same principle.
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When the US shot down a civilian iranian passenger plane killing near 300 innocents, not only did they not officially condemn it , they threw a celebration party for the returning navy ship that took it down. The western armies invaded iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people ,used depleted uranium ammo (illegally and resulting in huge cancer numbers in children) and basically destroyed a whole country - our media turned into cheerleaders for it.. And these muslim countries you want condemnation from, they are our govts best friends. We support ISIS
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Ah u see Iran used to be a democracy you see but UK and USA didn't like that so overthrew the most progressive and secular govt and installed a tyrant instead. This is our history and this is why iran is now run by mullahs. Even so Iran has been becoming more and more moderate in the last 10yrs and yet we have nutjobs like netanyahu foaming at the mouth saying he wants to bomb them, and the US congress cheering him on to.
Our policies in the middle east need to be re-aligned with world opinion ,when it is the middle east will recover and we won't have young muslims running amok in our cities.. that is the only and right solution to this mess that we created. There is only one policy of the US (not even the West) that's wrong and it is regarding Israel, for the rest I can't see any issues right now. Yes, the West probably supported the wrong people in Iran, but it is not a democracy right now but an Islamic Republic who doesn't like the Western way of life. What world opinion are you talking about, the world including a lot of Muslims want rid of ISIS, most non Muslim feel that Muslims are causing havoc in a number of places, there is something definitely wrong with the way the radicals are interpreting their religion.
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When the US shot down a civilian iranian passenger plane killing near 300 innocents, not only did they not officially condemn it , they threw a celebration party for the returning navy ship that took it down. The western armies invaded iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people ,used depleted uranium ammo (illegally and resulting in huge cancer numbers in children) and basically destroyed a whole country - our media turned into cheerleaders for it.. And these muslim countries you want condemnation from, they are our govts best friends. We support ISIS I think you are out of your mind, maybe you support ISIS, who is we by the way? You haven't answered why muslims are fighting non westerners as well (if the problem lies with the West as you claim) like in India, Nigeria, China, Bali, Kenya, Mali. I am not European or Western, however, I do hope the West sort out ISIS even if dictators like Assad needs to be supported. It looks like you would he happy with an Islamic State wanting to spread over the world, I'm not.
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