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Stan, when did I ever say we should disband the army and not protect ourselves? By all means, protect your own territory, but don't use security as an excuse to invade others and topple their governments to advance your wealth.
That is what is happening
If you want to live in LA LA land and believe the west entered the middle east due to human rights or religion or whatever, you do so, but that is not the truth.
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P.S. Apology accepted. Things get heated sometimes, it happens.
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stan actually believes it's ok to attack people if you are protecting your economy abroad .imperialist mentality. Sad truth is most people probably know why we're there and what we want to acheive, just like most countries out there. Deep down we'd rather it happened - people die in foreign lands so we can keep the priveledges and wealth we've got. Sad but true.
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True, you get some people that still cling to an altruistic intent, that is flawed because democracy can't be enforced, but most people know the reasons.Western philosophy has become purely militaristic and capitalistic, its so sad. Marx or a Rousseau were idealistic and helped create the sense of democratic entitlement we expect today but these manifesto's today, the neo-[oops] type, its all about force and picking enemies-(usually poor defenceless ones). They knew full well an "endless war" was being created and it benefits them to have it.The defence industry has been obsessed with asymmetric warfare for a long time -everyone knew this was coming.
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True, you get some people that still cling to an altruistic intent, that is flawed because democracy can't be enforced, but most people know the reasons.Western philosophy has become purely militaristic and capitalistic, its so sad. Marx or a Rousseau were idealistic and helped create the sense of democratic entitlement we expect today but these manifesto's today, the neo-[oops] type, its all about force and picking enemies-(usually poor defenceless ones). They knew full well an "endless war" was being created and it benefits them to have it.The defence industry has been obsessed with asymmetric warfare for a long time -everyone knew this was coming. Fine words but meaningless in the meantime Islamic state carry on trying to gain ground and subjecting the people to horrific cruelty people get confused we are not fighting Syria or invading Syria we are defending Syria and its people same with Iraq. Yes Middle East politics is complex yes mistakes have been made in the past. But other than blame the west which emp does for pretty much everything there is no solution here other than withdraw and do nothing at all.
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Another fallacy is in Syria it's all the west militarily the probably now half the forces defending Syria are Russian and Arab. And as I keep saying Islamic terrorism is global even countries like Canada have it. It's not a war between nations but population within nations and I don't think anyone yet truly understands what's going on.
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It is very easy to understand, we started Al-qaeda to fight the russians , we are friends with the extreme forms of Islam in Saudi, we invaded Iraq to create havoc in Shia areas such as Iraq,Syria and Iran and now we got a wonderful endless war against the offshoot of our friendship with the Saudi's. Pretty easy, we have no morals and do stuff for money.
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It is very easy to understand, we started Al-qaeda to fight the russians , we are friends with the extreme forms of Islam in Saudi, we invaded Iraq to create havoc in Shia areas such as Iraq,Syria and Iran and now we got a wonderful endless war against the offshoot of our friendship with the Saudi's. Pretty easy, we have no morals and do stuff for money. Nice bit of selective past history there doing nothing over the past 50 years would also have had an outcome whether that is better or worse than we have ended up with we will never know. But what matters is now and in the future Iran are heavily involved so you should be pleased with that the Iraq army has several Iranian generals as well as crack units from the Iranian army militias, this is a multi nation army east and west fighting the enemy of Islamic fundamentism try to break out if your anti west hatred
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Did anyone listen to Barack Obama's speech today?
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Did anyone listen to Barack Obama's speech today? No but boris Johnson spoke and said we should join with Russia and Syria wipe Islamic state off the map and leave Assad in power I said this 400 posts ago not ideal but it seems the least worst option and avoids an accidental confrontation with Russia. I don't find Obama very impressive to be honest
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