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he was supposedly all set to join AVB, so they must be willing to sell. Borini, Balo and Markovic off the books surely we have some cash Wonder why Monaco are cashing in on their better players?
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As another transfer window ends I was just looking at Liverpool's transfer record under Brendan Rodgers. We will have spent nearly £300m once the Ings fee is agreed.
Success or failure - I have highlighted in red the one's I think have been successful, see what you think. In order to be fair I have excluded players signed this summer which brings the amount spent to just over £200 million pounds. I think the jury is still out on Sakho, Lallana (not hopeful) and Can. I think Mignolet, Coutinho and Sturridge have improved the team. There combined fees comes to £37.5 million. This means that in my opinion (and it's only my opinion)we have bought bought approximately £165 million pounds worth of players that have not improved the team.
Fabio Borini Roma £10,400,000 13 July 2012
Joe Allen Swansea City £15,000,000 10 August 2012
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £3,000,000 17 August 2012
Nuri Sahin Real Madrid On Loan 25 August 2012
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30 August 2012
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea £12,000,000 2 January 2013
Philippe Coutinho Inter Milan £8,500,000 30 January 2013
Luis Alberto Sevilla £6,800,000 22 June 2013
Iago Aspas Celta Vigo £7,000,000 23 June 2013
Simon Mignolet Sunderland £9,000,000 25 June 2013
Kolo Touré Free Transfer Free 2 July 2013
Aly Cissokho Valencia On Loan *20 August 2013
Mamadou Sakho Paris St Germain £15,000,000 2 September 2013
Tiago Ilori Sporting Lisbon £7,000,000 2 September 2013
Victor Moses Chelsea On Loan *2 September 2013
Rickie Lambert Southampton £4,500,000 2 June 2014
Adam Lallana Southampton £25,000,000 1 July 2014
Emre Can Bayer Leverkusen £9,750,000 3 July 2014
Lazar Markovic Benfica £19,800,000 15 July 2014
Dejan Lovren Southampton £20,000,000 *27 July 2014
Divick Origi Lille £9,800,000 * 29 July 2014
Javier Manquillo Atletico Madrid On Loan 6 August 2014
Alberto Moreno Sevilla £12,000,000 * 16 August 2014
Mario Balotelli AC Milan £16,000,000 25 August 2014
Joe Gomez Charlton Athletic £3,500,000 * 20 June 2015
Adam Bogdan Free Transfer Free 1 July 2015
Danny Ings Free Transfer Unknown * 1 July 2015
James Milner Free Transfer Free 1 July 2015
Nathaniel Clyne Southampton £12,500,000 1 July 2015
Roberto Firmino Hoffenheim £29,000,000 *6 July 2015
Christian Benteke Aston Villa £32,500,000 22 July 2015 And to think of the struggle I’ve had on here trying to convince some of the FSG diehard supporters that FSG’s moneyball and consequent transfer policy would never succeed in the PL. There can be little doubt on that score now. Of course there’s those that will try to heap the blame on Rodgers, but that simply reflects their inability to see the bigger picture and understand the direction the club is being brought in by those who chart and determine the club’s policies. What we need at Liverpool is one of two things: (1) A total rejection of the moneyball philosophy and its consequent policies, or (2) A sale of the club to an entity that understands and appreciates the game, including a desire to put the club back at the top, and winning things. And that also includes the stadium development issue as well We can scapegoat and change managers till we’re blue in the face, but under FSG’s past and current policies that’s as much as we’ll ever be able to achieve.
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As a club, we have never won the EPL. BR is one of only 4 managers in the last 25 years that has got us a runners up spot. His transfers haven't set the world on fire but they have kept us more or less where we should be. The likes of City, Chelsea & Utd have all spent more than us in the last 5 years and were better to begin with, so it would be unreasonable to expect regular title challenges.
The only way you can be disappointed with BR is if you had unrealistic expectations of us winning the league. We're 'about' the 5th richest club in the league and that is roughly where we finish each year.
BR isn't doing 'badly'.....but he isn't doing anything worth shouting about either.
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Whilst I have and continue to agree with you Herc, the question still remains as to do we feel that BR is getting the best out of the squad at the club and that for me sadly is a big NO.
I think this window has been better but we question much about his managerial skills that I don't even see happening with bottom rung teams and managers.
It is a pitiful state of affairs that one 'hopes' can be rectified quickly starting with that shambolic back line.
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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Whilst I have and continue to agree with you Herc, the question still remains as to do we feel that BR is getting the best out of the squad at the club and that for me sadly is a big NO.
I think this window has been better but we question much about his managerial skills that I don't even see happening with bottom rung teams and managers.
It is a pitiful state of affairs that one 'hopes' can be rectified quickly starting with that shambolic back line. Yes Top4, I agree its a pitiful state of affairs as you say, However any manager having to try to coach and integrate the number of prospects being flooded through this club under the current moneyball regime would likely fare no better. What is it in the last 3 years? Around 30 or so, and not one top class let alone world class player among them, while our best are being sold off. There’s no getting away from it, the current policies would test any and every manager, is it any wonder Klopp and others don’t fancy the “project”?
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As a club, we have never won the EPL. BR is one of only 4 managers in the last 25 years that has got us a runners up spot. His transfers haven't set the world on fire but they have kept us more or less where we should be. The likes of City, Chelsea & Utd have all spent more than us in the last 5 years and were better to begin with, so it would be unreasonable to expect regular title challenges.
The only way you can be disappointed with BR is if you had unrealistic expectations of us winning the league. We're 'about' the 5th richest club in the league and that is roughly where we finish each year.
BR isn't doing 'badly'.....but he isn't doing anything worth shouting about either. Didn't we finish behind Spurs last season, a club less rich than us. Also, if we go by your logic, United or City should have won the league last year not Chelsea, as they are richer. We were the second biggest spender last season and we finished 6th (after finishing 2nd the season before), this is what should be remembered.
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Looking forward to meeting the person who thinks Brendan Rodgers transfer record is a success
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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Looking forward to meeting the person who thinks Brendan Rodgers transfer record is a success Mrs Rodgers...... no hang on.... I don't think she appreciated one particular transfer.
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As a club, we have never won the EPL. BR is one of only 4 managers in the last 25 years that has got us a runners up spot. His transfers haven't set the world on fire but they have kept us more or less where we should be. The likes of City, Chelsea & Utd have all spent more than us in the last 5 years and were better to begin with, so it would be unreasonable to expect regular title challenges.
The only way you can be disappointed with BR is if you had unrealistic expectations of us winning the league. We're 'about' the 5th richest club in the league and that is roughly where we finish each year.
BR isn't doing 'badly'.....but he isn't doing anything worth shouting about either. Didn't we finish behind Spurs last season, a club less rich than us. Also, if we go by your logic, United or City should have won the league last year not Chelsea, as they are richer. We were the second biggest spender last season and we finished 6th (after finishing 2nd the season before), this is what should be remembered. That's not what I'm saying at all. At no point did I say that the clubs should finish in order of their spend. I am saying that roughly speaking, expenditure over a period of 5 years (for example) will separate the big clubs from the small. There will always be exceptions to the rule, but you cannot expect us to win the league when our outlay has only really been sufficient to achieve 4th at best. If we had been the 4th biggest spenders, then winning the league would have been an enormous achievement. But finishing 5th or 6th would hardly have been a failure. We are where our finances allow us to be. No higher, no lower. Finishing behind Spurs last year was disappointing, but it was only 1 place lower than we could have realistically expected. That said, most of BRs signings have been a huge waste of money in my opinion. But managers are judged on league placings, not subjective opinions on how good a player has contributed.
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I am afraid he has wasted more then he has bought well
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