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if Rogers is to stay I don't to see him given any money to spend at all.he bought potential so lets see it come to fruition.if he needs a player take them from the youngsters,we have a good batch apparently.Ibe is good enough now,Origi is the striker we have bought and paid for.if he's a good coach let him coach.then if it doesn't work out at the end of the season there can be no excuses and off he goes.
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While BR has bought poorly (in hindsight) - it should also be stated that FSG put so many stipulations on how any money is to be spent. They demand a certain profile, base everything on stats and resale potential, and cap all our spending at 25 mil per player. This means we can never truly compete with our rivals. So we need a top manager - but we also need any manager we have to not be hamstrung by the owners. Fully agree Kop, the finger needs to be pointed at both the club management and the club owners in equal measure. After all it's the owners who handcuff their staff with constraints that ensure they can only sign prospects in quantity, hoping upon foolish hope that they strike it lucky and find another Messi among the 20 or so signings they made in the last couple of windows. We had fortuitously made the CL and the logical call was for a few proven top quality players, but they opted yet again for prospects in quantity. People seem to forget that Rodgers has publicly called for quality over quantity in the last two summer transfer windows, but got 20 prospects. Imo he should have walked last summer after the sale of Suarez, and the imposition of Balotelli, along with the other 9 prospects, but his ego probably made him think he's omnipotent.
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While BR has bought poorly (in hindsight) - it should also be stated that FSG put so many stipulations on how any money is to be spent. They demand a certain profile, base everything on stats and resale potential, and cap all our spending at 25 mil per player. This means we can never truly compete with our rivals. So we need a top manager - but we also need any manager we have to not be hamstrung by the owners. BR has bought poorly, nothing to do with hindsight, easy to call it before they even signed on the dotted line. There is 0 evidence in the players we've gone through that they base 'everything on stats' so that gets chucked right out as well. Everything else I agree with, under FSG policies Liverpool will never compete with the big boys, it's just impossible. But also with such policies, it's imperative that we have a manager who's strength lies in getting value for money, Rodgers has consistently failed to do this in epic proportions. So I'd deal with that more immediate problem hamstringing us in getting into the top 4 (Rodgers), then worry about the obstacle to the top spots which is FSG.
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Rodgers' signings to date have been poor. But it is far too early to come to conclusions. Look at Henderson, he's took a good 3 years for fans to finally accept that he is worthy of a starting place. The likes of Can, Markovic, Moreno, Sakho, Origi need time to adapt to the league and develop. Joe Allen seems to get criticised because he came from Rodgers' old club even though he hasn't even been that bad. Lallana hasn't been that bad either (slightly overpriced).
Rafa made some terrible signings and that's without the constraints of needing to buy young, resalable players.
There is always going to be a high probability that transfers don't work out when you are buying young unproven players. Forget whether you are Rodgers, Rafa or Klopp no one can predict the future.
We've gone from finishing 2nd to 6th, and it's not hard to see why. We well a world class player and buy several unproven players with potential. They need time to settle and develop. Sacking Rodgers would just unsettle the project. We were never going to do any better than scrape top 4.
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Rodgers' signings to date have been poor. But it is far too early to come to conclusions. Look at Henderson, he's took a good 3 years for fans to finally accept that he is worthy of a starting place. The likes of Can, Markovic, Moreno, Sakho, Origi need time to adapt to the league and develop. Joe Allen seems to get criticised because he came from Rodgers' old club even though he hasn't even been that bad. Lallana hasn't been that bad either (slightly overpriced).
Rafa made some terrible signings and that's without the constraints of needing to buy young, resalable players.
There is always going to be a high probability that transfers don't work out when you are buying young unproven players. Forget whether you are Rodgers, Rafa or Klopp no one can predict the future.
We've gone from finishing 2nd to 6th, and it's not hard to see why. We well a world class player and buy several unproven players with potential. They need time to settle and develop. Sacking Rodgers would just unsettle the project. We were never going to do any better than scrape top 4. Lallana is not young and has proved everything he can prove at Southampton, same can be said about Lovren a Balotelli. Is Lambert a young unproven potential? Allen is an average player, nothing more and not an improvement on Adams, the player he replaced at twice the fee. Is Borinni still a young potential after 3 years, does he need more time?
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While BR has bought poorly (in hindsight) - it should also be stated that FSG put so many stipulations on how any money is to be spent. They demand a certain profile, base everything on stats and resale potential, and cap all our spending at 25 mil per player. This means we can never truly compete with our rivals. So we need a top manager - but we also need any manager we have to not be hamstrung by the owners. It's not really 'hindsight' though is it? most of his signings have been a surprise...either because of the fee, or the fact that they were unknown or not regarded as being very good. It's not as if we were all excited about the signings of lambert, ballotelli, lallana, allen, borini, markovic, manquillo & moreno. Sturridge aside, the only player we got that I was looking forward to seeing was Sahin, but rodgers played him out of position so he left. If we'd got the targets we were after then things would have been very different.....sanchez, konoplyanka, sneijder, mkhitaryan, salah, depay..... ...but we failed and ended up with far inferior players even though we were EPL runners up. THAT was our time to go for it and anyone involved on our transfers must now leave because they failed the club big time.
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If we had got beat 6-1 by Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, I could accept it BUT to lose 6-1 vs Stoke was appalling.
To keep a manager who has shown he has no clue in the CL, how to manage players, tactics, best position of players.
Well I have heard he is sacked wonder who Sky spoke to. No No No No NO!!!!! We don't get beat by 5 goals by ANYBODY !!!! Biggest defeat I can remember is a 4-0 by Coventry in the 80s I think it was. Scumchester got a 5-0 beating at the hands of Newcastle and yes it was in the Premier League era. They had a 6-1 beating by City too a few years ago. Arsenal got an 8-2 beating by Scumchester. Chelsea lost to us 5-1 in a PL game but no doubt have bigger defeats as they did play in Div 2 back in the 80s. WE SIMPLY DO NOT LOSE BY 5!!! HE HAS BROUGHT MASSIVE SHAME ON OUR CLUB HE MUST GO !!! We did them 5-1 last year as well. Seems it happened twenty years ago though.
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Fair piece in the Mail about this stuff we have been talking over forever on here! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footbal...d-signings.html
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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Indeed. If Rodgers stays, it would mean that he was not responsible for the purchases, we'll know rather sooner than later.
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Indeed. If Rodgers stays, it would mean that he was not responsible for the purchases, we'll know rather sooner than later. Or it could just mean that he's fulfilling FSG's ambitions for the club?
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