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Stats prove a lot. I've not said anything other than us having a bad season, my point, is analyse everything, not just overview in the hope that you know it all because its the thinnest layer of information you wish to assess.

Those are facts. Any more?

We have a much younger developing squad. We have replaced over-paid underperformers with a bigger squad, with some underperforming top talent, some young and squad talent with great potential.

The side is not in shambles. This is still the remnants of the squad that finished 2nd. We lost goals and didn't replace them well enough.

We went through a run of form that had 16 goals conceded in 19 games that drew 40 points. That was this season. That began with a loss away to Palace, and ended with the away loss to Utd.

As I said last summer. It was so important to build the squad because now we can cut and make alterations when opportunities arise, rather than struggle to build and equip at the same time. We have value in the squad that can be sacrificed.

The solution for collective failure has been fire the lot of them. That's not really addressing anything, and its hoping for better than what we've got. We are a club that is attractive to young talent, by choice, and we have, like it or not, been proven to have developed a lot since BR took over. All the last 8 games did is prove that we still have work to do, we're not title-contenders, and we need to find consistency that isn't fuelled solely by form. When we lost after a run, we take several games to turn it around.

Mike Gordon is clearly open for criticism, when he know what he has actually done and contributed to. At the moment, that is far from legitimately discussed.

I'm not saying people on here don't have the club at heart, but it gets old hearing the same old thing when things go wrong. Most climbed on the wave of success from last season and didn't see the difficulties this season could bring. A bit of a more honest assessment of where the club is and how it is developing is more important than just blaspheming anything you just don't agree with.

Muddy the water? I have pointed out that despite the reluctance of seeing positives, we were the joint 4th team for points in the second half of the season.

I think there is shared blame. I think BR has got more stick for his work than congratulations. Most on here barely give him any credit for the season before this. That IS a bigger joke than most on here claim he is.

Laughing Stock? We had a terrible last game of the season. Man Utd got 5 points from the last 18... SAME AS US. Are they a laughing stock too? They crumbled at the end just like us.

Their real worth? We lost 50 goals and couldn't replace them. By Christmas our chances of even getting near fourth were in shambles. Then we went on a title chasing run of form, again, and fell short at the end, AGAIN.

The only thing we can from moving him on is having players a manager might not like, a new change of formation, and a little more experience of the situations, which is why Klopp, and perhaps De Boer, are our only realistic options without refreshing 3 years work...

We attract young talents so well that Sterling wants to leave. On the 4th on points but fifth factually, I will just mention a statement from Manure fans to us, "thank you for being so [oops]".

Fantastic, we were joint top for points over that run of games where we were winning, so what?! All that matters is where you are over 38 games. And we were a miserable 6th.

I agree Rodgers should get more credit for last year than some give him, but the things he did well don't overshadow his failures this season or the fact he's never had a good summer transfer window.

No Man Utd aren't a laughing stock because they got top 4. That should settle that.

And again I agree with your last paragraph, no point going for another nobody. We need someone who is proven at getting value for money in transfers.

We had a disastrous season, here's your stats , over 100 million spent, failed to hit any of our targets, no top 4, no cups, on the verge of losing a couple more star youngsters, the last legendary player at the club has gone. It's bleak and you can't sugar coat it.

Are we really any better than we were under Kenny?

Gordon seems to be the kingpin at LFC if that report is correct. Assuming it is correct that makes him directly responsible and answerable for our failure to advance or progress on the pitch in the last 5 years. Indeed a qualitative analysis of our first eleven would undoubtably show a regression as our first eleven now stands. The vast majority of American business men would call that a resigning or else sacking offence for whoever the buck stops with and it clearly stops with Gordon. Why hasn’t Gordon resigned or the board of FSG sacked him yet?

Oh wow. That last comment could have been ourselves to Moyes' team last season. It's a fickle short-hand comment.

Sterling is one of few youngsters who get too big for their boots and thank the club that brought him through with disrespect. Rooney did the same to Everton. We aren't the first or last club this will happen to.

Factually, we are joint fourth on points, as I said. Fifth including goal difference, as I also said was true when you pointed it out.



All that matters? Maybe to some fans, others try and look at the bigger picture...

He's signed many players under FSGs framework, not lost money, and as of last season, you could argue did a good job, given we got really close to a title. Allen, Coutinho and Sturridge were all members of that team.

Man Utd were fortunate in that we had such a bad start and end to the season. Like us, they had a bad season. You can use the, but they got fourth comments, but they still have to qualify, and they still need to spend huge amounts of money to fix and a squad with lots of players who don't cut it, and others who have vastly underperformed.

He isn't a nobody. He wasn't a nobody, and that shows the lack of respect a lot of fans are giving him. There are mistakes he's made, but that doesn't mean he suddenly deserves huge amounts of aggressive hate.

Well under Kenny we signed players who didn't perform, he couldn't get them to, and our cup runs covered up for the terrible form we had in every other competition. He bought worse and more over-priced players than BR.

A Couple more star youngsters? You mean Sterling and him alone right... and who was the last one? Suarez wasn't a youngster, and BR got him to play incredibly well in his final season playing for a dream move to one of the couple of clubs he deserves to play for. We can't match their ambition right now, and to be honest, that doesn't change if a top manager comes in. It was always a big plan to turn around our fortunes, some people have just lost faith.

Gerrard would have retired or been used less by any manager coming in...

There is no sugar coating here, I am telling it as I see it.