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Maybe. I'd be interested in seeing some actual figures.
Just had a look and there is a massive pot which is distributed out, which equals around 40 mil to each club. Prize money is 1.5 mil for a win and 500k for a draw. 12 mil for featuring in group stage. 5.5 mil for Round of 16. 6 mil in QFs. 7 mil in SFs. Winners get 15 mil, Runners up get around 10 mil. Winning the Champions League is worth around 100 mil, without taking in to account gate receipts, merchandise etc http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1858497.html Don't forget that those amounts will be taxable. Also, the merchandise & ticket revenue will only carry a small amount of profit. For arguments sake, we'll say that the overall benefit of a year in the CL where we reach the QFs is probably worth £50-£60m. Assuming we want to profit from getting in to the CL, we need to spend less than the above figures. Therefore, could we qualify and reach the quarter finals on an additional budget (fees & wages) of £40-£50m? Is that enough to overtake City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea?? I conclude that from a business perspective, getting into the champion league just isn't financially viable.
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Yeah but who is buying these players?
That man has a lot to answer for and he should no longer still be in a job.
Well the doctor should see it when he’s asking them to cough...sack the Doctor! We already did I rest my case. It's most definitely third leg syndrome! Shaggydog put his finger on it. I’d sack the statisticians also, surely they should have included third leg analysis in their reports, things like; Probability Density, Normal Distribution, Central Tendency, Probability Deviations, Confounding Variable’s, etc, etc. That way we could avoid the confounded Third Leg Syndrome and be sitting at the top now, instead of dragging all those hyper inflated members through the Europa League!
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Plus anyone that thinks FSG happy with 5th most be watching the pigs fly by there window.
They want champions league and the money end of and now we are unlikely to get it, I image they are pretty disappointed with this season like most fans The last I heard, CL football was worth £35-£40m per year. It would cost us a hell of lot more than that in terms of transfer fees and wages to get regular CL football, so is it worth it? That's becoming closer to 70 million. And it would have cost us no more than we spent to get Champs league this season, if anyone involved in our transfers had half a brain.
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Maybe. I'd be interested in seeing some actual figures.
Just had a look and there is a massive pot which is distributed out, which equals around 40 mil to each club. Prize money is 1.5 mil for a win and 500k for a draw. 12 mil for featuring in group stage. 5.5 mil for Round of 16. 6 mil in QFs. 7 mil in SFs. Winners get 15 mil, Runners up get around 10 mil. Winning the Champions League is worth around 100 mil, without taking in to account gate receipts, merchandise etc http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1858497.html Don't forget that those amounts will be taxable. Also, the merchandise & ticket revenue will only carry a small amount of profit. For arguments sake, we'll say that the overall benefit of a year in the CL where we reach the QFs is probably worth £50-£60m. Assuming we want to profit from getting in to the CL, we need to spend less than the above figures. Therefore, could we qualify and reach the quarter finals on an additional budget (fees & wages) of £40-£50m? Is that enough to overtake City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea?? I conclude that from a business perspective, getting into the champion league just isn't financially viable. Who told you that those revenues are taxable, the club will be taxed on its profits if any, not revenues. Arsenal had less money than about 6-7 teams while they were building their stadium, they still qualified regularly isn't it, if fact in those days we were spending more than them, City has more money than Chelsea, why is Chelsea first and City 4th, it's not all about money, the manager you have counts a lot.
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Maybe. I'd be interested in seeing some actual figures.
Just had a look and there is a massive pot which is distributed out, which equals around 40 mil to each club. Prize money is 1.5 mil for a win and 500k for a draw. 12 mil for featuring in group stage. 5.5 mil for Round of 16. 6 mil in QFs. 7 mil in SFs. Winners get 15 mil, Runners up get around 10 mil. Winning the Champions League is worth around 100 mil, without taking in to account gate receipts, merchandise etc http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1858497.html Don't forget that those amounts will be taxable. Also, the merchandise & ticket revenue will only carry a small amount of profit. For arguments sake, we'll say that the overall benefit of a year in the CL where we reach the QFs is probably worth £50-£60m. Assuming we want to profit from getting in to the CL, we need to spend less than the above figures. Therefore, could we qualify and reach the quarter finals on an additional budget (fees & wages) of £40-£50m? Is that enough to overtake City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea?? I conclude that from a business perspective, getting into the champion league just isn't financially viable. I sincerely hope Mr. Henry does not read this.
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Klopp and LFC could well be a match made in heaven and would no doubt have more pull over players but if we can't bring in someone of that top caliber then why let Brendan go? Remember, he's recently signed a 5 year deal too. He's young, plays attractive football, is decent in front of the press, brought us our best season in a decade or more, is seemingly a fantastic man manager and will only get better so if we can sort out the transfers, why not keep him?
Yes, it's unlikely we will make the 4 now but we still may win a trophy and unless he's losing the squad he should get more time.
Everyone is so quick to sack the manager these days, have some patience. Wholesale changes would be the worst thing for us this coming season, like starting all over again.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
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With all the players we apparently want to keep, currently holding out for contract negotiations after the end of the season, I really see the manager's position as somewhat under a cloud. If BR is such a fantastic man manager, you'd think £100,000 a year should be sufficiently attractive. Something about the way we are currently moving is not quite right. I agree, the style is better under BR but we've had no forward line to speak of and neither of the two strikers we signed in the summer looked remotely in line with how BR wants to play. Given Sturridge is injury prone, we need two top flight strikers as a key to keeping Sterling, Hendo etc keen on staying. It looks like we are missing out on CL this season so attracting top talent is going to be harder. We are in a very difficult position. Signing Mario and Ricky was a complete disaster that most of us could have predicted. Fingers have been pointed at all our signings but, the failure to find a suitable replacement for Suarez was the real undoing of our season. Had we signed Lacazette or someone similar, we might have been able to consolidate CL for next season. Lallana, Markovich, Can, all look OK to me, in terms of maintaining a standard, but the strikers we signed have been awful. Only Chelsea and Arsenal have really looked anything like this season and we should have been able to push our way back in. The choice of Mario over Remy was a costly misjudgement. I don't think we can choose a means of rebuilding until we see where we are at the end of the season. Without CL, our options will be limited and players may jump ship.
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Is there any betting for a BR replacement yet? Just wondering whether Pardew or Sherwood are on the FSG radar? I think the latter was very dignified about the way it went at Spurs and he's clearly getting something out of Villa that hadn't been fully anticipated. I think he'll end up managing one of the top teams at some point.
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But he'd be cheap and would jump at the chance to manage us even with FSG in charge. He's just their sort of manager and what we can expect IF Rodgers is booted.
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