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I read at the time we offered the same in personal terms as Dortmund for Miki. How true that is I don't know. But we can only really speculate that we offer low wages. As far as I've seen there's no real proof that's the case but there must be something stopping them coming.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
I read at the time we offered the same in personal terms as Dortmund for Miki. How true that is I don't know. But we can only really speculate that we offer low wages. As far as I've seen there's no real proof that's the case but there must be something stopping them coming.


I agree, and my fear is, it is the manager. I think that if we had an experienced big name in charge, many of the players would come. But at the same time, i don't want rid of Rodgers.


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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
I read at the time we offered the same in personal terms as Dortmund for Miki. How true that is I don't know. But we can only really speculate that we offer low wages. As far as I've seen there's no real proof that's the case but there must be something stopping them coming.


I agree, and my fear is, it is the manager. I think that if we had an experienced big name in charge, many of the players would come. But at the same time, i don't want rid of Rodgers.

Ha, ha, he world is full if contradictions isn’t it? But it really comes down to blaming anything except FSG doesn’t it? A blind man could see that it’s the wage policy that’s stopping top players from signing and little else. Would you expect players to admit to being mercenary? Hardly! And would you take the word of a man like Costa who is intent on cheating and gouging his way to to the top? Hardly! So face it Ninja you’re beloved FSG’s wage policy is the problem and no amount of wriggling will convince any thinking person otherwise!

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
I disagree. Costa has said himself, everything else was agreed, which means he agreed on the wages offered, and that he decided to stay purely because he wanted to finish what he had started with Athletico.


So then you offer more money. That's how the afore mentioned clubs get their players. You can disagree but that's how every aspiring big club have done it and I'd go with the wealth of collective evidence over your opinion. 1 in 100 players might be different, costa may be that 1, but that's one arbitrary target. The law of money gets you the player you want the other 99 times.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
I read at the time we offered the same in personal terms as Dortmund for Miki. How true that is I don't know. But we can only really speculate that we offer low wages. As far as I've seen there's no real proof that's the case but there must be something stopping them coming.


But Dortmund were riding high and in the Champions league, so we would have had to offer better wages. If we simply matched them then we didn't do that, similarly their wage structure is on the low side for most players so if we are just prepared to match it then we aren't offering top wages.

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I disagree. Costa has said himself, everything else was agreed, which means he agreed on the wages offered, and that he decided to stay purely because he wanted to finish what he had started with Athletico.


So then you offer more money. That's how the afore mentioned clubs get their players. You can disagree but that's how every aspiring big club have done it and I'd go with the wealth of collective evidence over your opinion. 1 in 100 players might be different, costa may be that 1, but that's one arbitrary target. The law of money gets you the player you want the other 99 times.


But then we will have problems when it comes to FFP I think

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I disagree. Costa has said himself, everything else was agreed, which means he agreed on the wages offered, and that he decided to stay purely because he wanted to finish what he had started with Athletico.


So then you offer more money. That's how the afore mentioned clubs get their players. You can disagree but that's how every aspiring big club have done it and I'd go with the wealth of collective evidence over your opinion. 1 in 100 players might be different, costa may be that 1, but that's one arbitrary target. The law of money gets you the player you want the other 99 times.


But then we will have problems when it comes to FFP I think


I wasn't commenting in suggestion that we do that, we can't do that. We've fallen too far behind commercially and don't have owners that want to bank roll that kind of position which is more than fair enough on their part. It's not up to FSG to keep me or other fans happy at a deep expense to themselves. I was merely pointing out that's how aspiring top clubs do it if they're missing out on crucial player incentives.

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Why does everybody insist on giving exactly ONE reason to why we're not attracting big names. I think it's a bit of everything. We would be able to attract bigger names if we paid better wages, if we had a bigger stadium, if we'd been qualifying regularly to the champions league, if we had Ancelotti rather than Rodgers-with due respect- as our manager. Its a combination of all these reasons.

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Originally Posted By: imadk
Why does everybody insist on giving exactly ONE reason to why we're not attracting big names. I think it's a bit of everything. We would be able to attract bigger names if we paid better wages, if we had a bigger stadium, if we'd been qualifying regularly to the champions league, if we had Ancelotti rather than Rodgers-with due respect- as our manager. Its a combination of all these reasons.


I agree


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Originally Posted By: imadk
Why does everybody insist on giving exactly ONE reason to why we're not attracting big names. I think it's a bit of everything. We would be able to attract bigger names if we paid better wages, if we had a bigger stadium, if we'd been qualifying regularly to the champions league, if we had Ancelotti rather than Rodgers-with due respect- as our manager. Its a combination of all these reasons.


Absolutely, but you're missing the point if you think I was giving exactly ONE reason. My point is that there have been teams in the recent past who have failed to attract players for the same multitude of reasons as us like you say, but they got around it by offering crazy big wages. And up the league they went in most of the cases. So yes it is a multitude of reasons, but as countless clubs have demonstrated, paying stupid wages (not saying we should) trumps that.

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