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The table never lies though

Despite our win, I thought it was a really disappointing evening for Liverpool fans. Every team above us and around us won, so we haven't gained ground or moved away from any other team. It's just 1 less game left to play and catch up.

But that would put to bed the argument so many had here last season about us overperforming and would cement the fact that we finished 2nd last season because we deserved to. It would also put to bed the argument that we dont have players who are of a high enough standard to challenge for the title.

That in turn would mean that despite lowering wages and refusing to pay exhorbitent fees for big name players we have actually improved as a team and that BR has done a fantastic job.

So, does the table lie sometimes?

So, does table lie or not?

Let's actually think about what you said here. It would put to bed the over-performing thing, as if we finished 2nd we deserved to finish second. Fair enough.

It would not put to bed the fact that we don't have players that can compete for the title, as just because they did it once doesn't mean they can do it again. Things change year on year. So a reallllllly nothing and poorly thought out remark on your part.

Your third point just makes no sense. We have spent crazy money, and if he gets 4th then he has done a fantastic job, if he doesn't then he hasn't done a fantastic job, as you're starting from the premise that the table doesn't lie.

After a full season the table doesn't lie. We deserved to be 2nd last year because we got there. If Utd finish in the top 4 this season they deserve to be there too. The Newcastle goal was incredibly lucky but you don't get in the top 4 just by luck. Rooney forced an error and some poor defending compounded it. If it happened to us we'd be saying excellent closing down it's part and parcel of our high pressing game. That may be an unpopular opinion but the 4 teams who finish in the top 4 deserve to be there cause they got themselves there. Hopefully that's us instead of them though.

Lets think about what you just said...

Your first point admits we finished 2nd and challenged for the title because we had the quality and deserves to finish 2nd.

Your 2nd argument then states the contrary by saying we dont have the players to challenge for the title and that just cause they did it once doesnt mean they can do it again. But they did it once, which means they can do it. Which means they can challenge for the title, which means they are players of a high enough quality to challenge for the title.

I appreciate the fact you try but i'm afraid you are contradicting yourself.

Also, as we finished 2nd and qualifies for the CL which is better than under any other manager in the FSG era, it would indeed point to the fact BR did a fantastic job last year.

I'm not contradicting myself at all, you've made a very school boy esque mistake. My first point states we deserved to finish 2nd last year. My second states that just because they did it once doesn't mean they will again (they might but haven't this year). You're ignoring the fact things and players change year on year. Which makes your post utterly laughable in that you're suggesting this is a contradiction, in no way is it a contradiction.

Yes Rodgers did do a fantastic job last year. Without a doubt. This year he needs to get top 4 to have done a fantastic job.

But last year you were ainging the same tune as this year saying we dint have the players and that our team isnt of a high enough quality.you are also making the elementary mistake of neglecting the fact that despite changes which occur year on year in football, our team and the players are young and are all improving with age and experience, bar Gerrard.

The fact they did it once means they are capable of doing it and despite the fact that you want to try mud slinging and insulting, you are contradicting yourself.

As i said, you had the same arguments last season and were proven wrong. You then claimed we over achieved. Now you are saying we didnt overachieve and deserved to finish 2nd. Which is it? Make up your mind...LOL

I think had that happened to us we'd have the usual suspects telling us we were lucky and how [oops] we are, Rodgers out etc.