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If our owners had strengthened in January last season, we would not have been having a conversation about nearly winning the title.
In total agreement with this and the fact that they didn't (when we clearly needed to) sums up completely FSG's lack of ambition of for Liverpool Football Club.
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Does FSG want to win the Premier League? - YES
Can they afford to do so? - YES
I think the better questions to ask are :
Are FSG ar5ed about winning the Premier League ? - NO
Can they afford to do so? - YES
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I'll just point put one thing...
In the past 20 years we have been amongst the highest paying clubs in terms od wages and agent fees in the EPL. Where are the titles?
We have nearly always been 4th or 5th, those who have won it have always been higher. So again silly point if you put it into context.
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They will most certainly have eyes on CL qualification as that is where the big money is. A club with our wage bill and outlay on transfer fees can't afford NOT to be in it.
In terms of winning the premier league though, that's a different story. From a financial perspective, it isn't worth winning. In order to win the EPL, the club would need to spend a massive amount of money on players & agents, and our wage bill would need to go through the roof. These additional costs far outweigh the rewards for coming top in the EPL, so there is no business case for it.
The kind of money we are spending suggests that top 4 is the only objective. That is probably achievable and sustainable within our current budgets.
The fact that we are being embarrassed by the likes of west ham & southampton won't have gone un-noticed. FSG will be wondering how they are doing so well on a significantly lower budget, and I imagine that all fingers will point towards the manager.
When you look at the incomes and outlays of the current top 4, you have to wonder whether it is even possible to progress very far without breaking FFP regulations. Putting limits in place is a good idea but all it does is cements the fortunes of the top clubs and, barring a small miracle, it prevents anyone else getting a look in. No they don't want to win the premier league (unless it's without investing) and no they have nit got the money or rather they have but are not interested in risking it on liverpool which is a low priority in their empire. i have tried to argue the case but the FSG fans won't have it to be honest I really don't care anymore the club is finished as a regular top four club anyone with any sense can see that. As for wining the title no chance whatsoever with these owners our chance was last year with suarez and Gerard those days won't be coming back
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They will most certainly have eyes on CL qualification as that is where the big money is. A club with our wage bill and outlay on transfer fees can't afford NOT to be in it.
In terms of winning the premier league though, that's a different story. From a financial perspective, it isn't worth winning. In order to win the EPL, the club would need to spend a massive amount of money on players & agents, and our wage bill would need to go through the roof. These additional costs far outweigh the rewards for coming top in the EPL, so there is no business case for it.
The kind of money we are spending suggests that top 4 is the only objective. That is probably achievable and sustainable within our current budgets.
The fact that we are being embarrassed by the likes of west ham & southampton won't have gone un-noticed. FSG will be wondering how they are doing so well on a significantly lower budget, and I imagine that all fingers will point towards the manager.
When you look at the incomes and outlays of the current top 4, you have to wonder whether it is even possible to progress very far without breaking FFP regulations. Putting limits in place is a good idea but all it does is cements the fortunes of the top clubs and, barring a small miracle, it prevents anyone else getting a look in. No they don't want to win the premier league (unless it's without investing) and no they have nit got the money or rather they have but are not interested in risking it on liverpool which is a low priority in their empire. I HAVE TRIED TO ARGUE THE CASE BUT THE FSG FANS WON'T HAVE IT TO be honest I really don't care anymore the club is finished as a regular top four club anyone with any sense can see that. As for wining the title no chance whatsoever with these owners our chance was last year with suarez and Gerard those days won't be coming back Yes you have, and so have I, most of them couldn’t or wouldn’t see it then, but the case is undeniable now, and for my part they’re all very welcome to the bonfire of our vanities. Our only hope now is for some rich Russian, Chinese or Arab to mount a rescue mission, and even then it won’t be the same. Anyway as you’ve often said football has changed so much for the worse over the TV age, it’s probably just habit that keeps our snouts in the trough anyway, so I think I could say goodbye to all that, without too much pain now!
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I agree that's what it takes to win it on a continuous basis but not once off. Also, wages had nothing to do with who won it last season. If anything it was Henderson's red card and Gerrard's slip that cost us, not wages..unless if you can prove Hendo would not have got a red card and Stevie wouldn't have slipped had they been on higher wages, you can go on all you want but you wont convince you have to have a massive wage bill to win the league once off. It was you who brought up a ridiculous analogy of last year which actually disproved your point. No one is saying if hendo earned more last year we would have one the title, if we attracted better players with higher wages then we would probably have won the title. Like I said with a perfect storm, someone else might have a chance. I don't know about you, but I'd like owners who want to see us regularly competing for the title. And as everyone has already said that, bigger wages for better players will do that. If our owners had strengthened in January last season, we would not have been having a conversation about nearly winning the title. Maybe not buying anyone helped us in the second half of the season? We had a settled team and everyone knew everyone elses game. We might not have let in as many goals had we bought a defender but probably not with the way we're set up to play and maybe a decent CM as we looked a lot worse when Hendo was suspended. This was done by accident of course as we screwed up in January.
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They will most certainly have eyes on CL qualification as that is where the big money is. A club with our wage bill and outlay on transfer fees can't afford NOT to be in it.
In terms of winning the premier league though, that's a different story. From a financial perspective, it isn't worth winning. In order to win the EPL, the club would need to spend a massive amount of money on players & agents, and our wage bill would need to go through the roof. These additional costs far outweigh the rewards for coming top in the EPL, so there is no business case for it.
The kind of money we are spending suggests that top 4 is the only objective. That is probably achievable and sustainable within our current budgets.
The fact that we are being embarrassed by the likes of west ham & southampton won't have gone un-noticed. FSG will be wondering how they are doing so well on a significantly lower budget, and I imagine that all fingers will point towards the manager.
When you look at the incomes and outlays of the current top 4, you have to wonder whether it is even possible to progress very far without breaking FFP regulations. Putting limits in place is a good idea but all it does is cements the fortunes of the top clubs and, barring a small miracle, it prevents anyone else getting a look in. FFP is changing the landscape somewhat though, both Chelsea and City have spent less than us in the last window, Chelsea has actually spent less since the appointment of Jose. With the amount of money we spent in the last window after coming second, we should be competing for the title let alone 4th.
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I think in order to answer the question of 'if FSG want Liverpool to win the league' requires far more logical reasoning than some seem capable of. There is no possible way for FSG to throw enough money at Liverpool in order to win the league, even if they had enough money and it all boils down to very simple reasoning.
Firstly, taking Liverpool from its current standard to one which is capable of winning the league would require an incredible amount of money. Secondly, sometimes it takes more than a lot of money to attract the best players (such as guaranteed champions league football and winning the league regularly). Liverpool and FSG simply aren't in a position to guarantee either of these. And finally the likes of Man City and Chelsea invested incredible amounts of money for a number of years before FFP was introduced and are now reaping the benefits, at the same time LFC had the two American clowns in charge.
That's enough of detailing what FSG 'cannot do', let's look at what they have done. FSG have replaced managers adequately, Hodgson and Dalglish were both replaced when it was clear they were taking the team nowhere. FSG has invested £100million(+) in two separate transfer windows (without having done any calculations), unfortunately without the desired effect. And finally FSG have apparently put in place a young and 'up & coming' manager with a specified footballing philosophy.
Now, I've had a bit to drink today but by going on the information above, I would suggest that FSG do want Liverpool to win the league at an affordable cost. I don't think there's any evidence that suggests FSG want to get Liverpool in the top four and keep it there but are unwilling to invest the amount of money required to win the league. I just don't believes it's possible to buy the league title anymore (unless like Chelsea and City you've spent years investing hundreds of millions and can now benefit massively from the odd £30million-£50million signing).
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They will most certainly have eyes on CL qualification as that is where the big money is. A club with our wage bill and outlay on transfer fees can't afford NOT to be in it.
In terms of winning the premier league though, that's a different story. From a financial perspective, it isn't worth winning. In order to win the EPL, the club would need to spend a massive amount of money on players & agents, and our wage bill would need to go through the roof. These additional costs far outweigh the rewards for coming top in the EPL, so there is no business case for it.
The kind of money we are spending suggests that top 4 is the only objective. That is probably achievable and sustainable within our current budgets.
The fact that we are being embarrassed by the likes of west ham & southampton won't have gone un-noticed. FSG will be wondering how they are doing so well on a significantly lower budget, and I imagine that all fingers will point towards the manager.
When you look at the incomes and outlays of the current top 4, you have to wonder whether it is even possible to progress very far without breaking FFP regulations. Putting limits in place is a good idea but all it does is cements the fortunes of the top clubs and, barring a small miracle, it prevents anyone else getting a look in. FFP is changing the landscape somewhat though, both Chelsea and City have spent less than us in the last window, Chelsea has actually spent less since the appointment of Jose. With the amount of money we spent in the last window after coming second, we should be competing for the title let alone 4th. Chelsea and City spent less than us because they didn't need to. Nothing to do with FFP and no doubt City will break FFP if they splash in excess of £30m on Bony.
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I'll just point put one thing...
In the past 20 years we have been amongst the highest paying clubs in terms od wages and agent fees in the EPL. Where are the titles?
We have nearly always been 4th or 5th, those who have won it have always been higher. So again silly point if you put it into context. You are making stuff up now...we have been 2nd and 3rd for the best part of those 20 years in terms of spending on wages. So what you are saying is not correct.
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