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I said what we did do not what we didn't . Reina? You having a laugh? Way past his best and we all know itt, he had become a liability.Agger the same although he had another season in him, also he did not go cheap as he walked away from all his bonus's so bronby could afford him.
Mediocre players is an opinion which at this stage cannot be proven. I do remember you in particular hating Henderson, so maybe your judgement is flawed.

All in all too early to tell. 6 big injuries is unusual for any team at this stage of the season. I am prepared to let them settle and see how we progress. United spent over 200million this year on a league winning team and they look no better.

So Reina is not good enough as a 2nd goalkeeper for us but good enough for Bayern. We have therefore mugged Bayern, I wonder who is having the laugh when we see Mignolet's performance every week.

At least Mignolet makes some fantastic saves, Reina in his last 2 seasons couldn't stop a shot even near his hands.

Back to the stadium issue, I wouldn't mind at all a new big stadium if we can afford one, but can't help noticing that Arsenal stopped winning the title when they moved to the Emirates. Doesn't this prove that a new stadium has nothing to do with success on the pitch?

I don't think so no man United invested in their stadium 20 years ago and us now the biggest in the country and comparable with the top clubs in Europe it's clearly done them no harm in terms of titles. Finally investing all our money in the team seems to have wasted hundreds of millions over the years.

Arsenal couldn't spend big on players because they were paying off their stadium hence why they had no success. They recently paid it off but believe me its short term loss for a huge long term gain.. What I said in the other thread, rather than continue to spend 20m-30m on average hopefuls such as Markovic, Aqulani, Downing, Carroll etc that never work out anyway why not just pay those fees to finance a new stadium? We are down in the dumps anyway and I don't think any amount of money can fix us since we seem to be cursed in signing and finding quality players. Building a new stadium will signal a new fresh era into our clubs history. Just from top of my head we have spent about 400m just in the past 4 or 5 windows and where are we now? Nowhere and still without a title win. So I say rather than squander mord millions just use it to finance a stadium and new facility for the club.

Definitely we need to increase the match day revenue and this is what is being done with the extension. We will have close to what Arsenal has in terms of number of seats but by spending less and done quicker. A new stadium was never going to be much more that 60k seats, so why spend more if you can achieve the same number of seats by spending less?

Doing it Arsenal way won't even work now as the league is more competitive and qualification for CL is much more difficult now, 15 years back Arsenal was a banker for top 4 as there were only United and LFC competing for CL, then Chelsea was added to the lot, now there is at least City also. So if Arsenal had to do it now, they wouldn't have qualified for CL every year which would have seriously jeopardised their plans.

As explained many times it's not just about cramming 58k seats into an old ground and small footprint that does not equal arsenals 60k just because the seat numbers acre the same, It's a disgrace Liverpool, FC one of the worlds top clubs have a patched up old stadium. It's also about giving us long term flexibility to increase seats in the future, It's true watch vish says about the increased completion for champions league places which is precisely why the organic option won't work even if we redevelop anfield we need new long term financing to bridge the gap caused by Liverpool's mistakes over the past 20 years.

The club took it for granted that the dominance of the 70's and 80's was endemic. The club owners and administrators at that time failed to keep up with industry developments, i.e. financing, also of course the biggest dagger wounds to Liverpool were the two stadium disasters of Heysal and Hillsborough.
The club and the business was destroyed by these events and even though the club has survived and tried to steer onward, it has always been "catching up" to the other clubs that have been financed and managed far better.

The false dawns (over and over)of the last 20 years are just that. The club needs serious investment and a really smart manager and board to get us back to the top.

The business model of the 1980's in terms of player buying, development and management is universal as a playing culture - run, pressure, pass, move..

the top clubs are now copying the Liverpool style of the 1980's and the TV pundits are lauding them for being so innovative.

Feck me i know that a Liverpool side from the 1980's would wipe the floor with the current Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, with sheer work ethic and discipline.

I would bet my house on it.

I'm glad you pointed this out because it's just so very naive to think that it's only about seats. Those who think just increasing seat capacity in anfield equates to the revenue and future proofing that a new stadium provides haven't got a clue! And unfortunately as we have elected to go for the cheaper option, they'll see it all too clearly when the redev is done and from second one we will already be behind