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First off, Completely different situation. He was taking over a side that was already one of the best in the world, not building it from the ground up. I do think we were a bit unfair to him though, considering all the changes he had to make (as you yourself have pointed out many times), but he was not performing to the standard Rodgers has, despite the fact that he faced inferior competition. He also had 3 years in charge, while Rodgers has only gotten 2 thus far. Are you saying that Rodgers has been worse than Souness thus far? If so, you need to be put away.
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First off, Completely different situation. He was taking over a side that was already one of the best in the world, not building it from the ground up. I do think we were a bit unfair to him though, considering all the changes he had to make (as you yourself have pointed out many times), but he was not performing to the standard Rodgers has, despite the fact that he faced inferior competition. He also had 3 years in charge, while Rodgers has only gotten 2 thus far. Are you saying that Rodgers has been worse than Souness thus far? If so, you need to be put away. I am not or have ever said sack Rodgers I happen to believe whatever manager we had would face the same problems. It's impossible to compare Rodgers and souness they were different eras. But in the modern game the trend is to swop managers more frequently due to the money involved. For example I don't think ferguson if he started today would get the time he did simply because the club could not afford to be out of the champions league. Rodgers will face those same pressures
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Going with the flow and chopping and changing managers like that doesn't do any good though. All it does is waste money and continue the cycle. It nearly ruined Chelsea when they sacked Ancelotti (undeservedly), and they have far more money to throw around than we do. Had they not pulled one out of the hat in the champion's league, they'd have missed out on european competition altogether. Have you noticed that as soon as they kept a manager for more than one season, now they're contending for the title for the first time since they fired Ancelotti?
You may not be calling for a sacking, but others are. Personally, I think we've tried the chop and change bit too much. Rafa should have been kept, and when we sacked him we ended blowing tons of money on Hodgson's severance package, Joe Cole and Jovanovic's wages, only to do the same with Kenny a year and a half later. Imagine what Rafa would have done with all that money? It hasn't gotten us results, so lets try this longview approach. It's already gotten better results so far.
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Going with the flow and chopping and changing managers like that doesn't do any good though. All it does is waste money and continue the cycle. It nearly ruined Chelsea when they sacked Ancelotti (undeservedly), and they have far more money to throw around than we do. Had they not pulled one out of the hat in the champion's league, they'd have missed out on european competition altogether. Have you noticed that as soon as they kept a manager for more than one season, now they're contending for the title for the first time since they fired Ancelotti?
You may not be calling for a sacking, but others are. Personally, I think we've tried the chop and change bit too much. Rafa should have been kept, and when we sacked him we ended blowing tons of money on Hodgson's severance package, Joe Cole and Jovanovic's wages, only to do the same with Kenny a year and a half later. Imagine what Rafa would have done with all that money? It hasn't gotten us results, so lets try this longview approach. It's already gotten better results so far. I agree with you but it's not going to happen for a muiltude of reasons sponsors money and the modern consumer who wants things now. Not just football it's all sports I also follow rugby that's the same
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It happens more in England than anywhere else, as far as I can see. In the Spanish, German, and Italian leagues they seem to get much more time, and it seems to be paying off in terms of their performances in Europe go. Would you fire Klopp right now? I doubt Dortmund will, even though they're 14th. It has a lot to do with the mad [oops] that run the English press, I would say. The circus is doing no one any favors except the press, and I say buck the trend.
In American sports, managers seem to get a lot more time too. Just because the fans love the club doesn't mean they know anything about how it needs to be run. The Red Sox just went from World Series Champions to bottom of their division, but they're not going to sack their manager because they know he can deliver the goods. Managers occasionally go after one year, but only when it's absolute disaster.
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I actually think the defense is better, it's just that the attack masks fewer deficiencies when we aren't scoring as many, but they were deffo already there. The fullbacks are much better, and I think the CBs are SLOWLY getting it together. You may be right but Liverpool are a big club or at least I think they are. We finished second lays year almost won the title yet people speak as if we are trying to consolidate our position in the premiership Whilst not unhappy with the signings I do feel we have regressed and maybe expected. 6/7 new players in the team each week is hardly going improve the fluidity of the side. Mignonlet stayed on his line for most of last season which was a concern, this year he has started to come off more which in theory it should improve things but in practice it has made things worse. Certainly balls behind lovren should be mopped up by an aggressive on his toes keeper, quite often mignonlet is in that no mans land of staying an coming. Skrtel also is slow pushing up which allows the player to be onside behind lovren-goals against City, ludogrets, boro(pen), madrid emphasise my point. In mignonlet moves everyone up two meters then half our problems are solved. The other half will be stopping crosses.
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It happens more in England than anywhere else, as far as I can see. In the Spanish, German, and Italian leagues they seem to get much more time, and it seems to be paying off in terms of their performances in Europe go. Would you fire Klopp right now? I doubt Dortmund will, even though they're 14th. It has a lot to do with the mad [oops] that run the English press, I would say. The circus is doing no one any favors except the press, and I say buck the trend.
In American sports, managers seem to get a lot more time too. Just because the fans love the club doesn't mean they know anything about how it needs to be run. The Red Sox just went from World Series Champions to bottom of their division, but they're not going to sack their manager because they know he can deliver the goods. Managers occasionally go after one year, but only when it's absolute disaster. Spain really? they sack managers every year or so.
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It happens more in England than anywhere else, as far as I can see. In the Spanish, German, and Italian leagues they seem to get much more time, and it seems to be paying off in terms of their performances in Europe go. Would you fire Klopp right now? I doubt Dortmund will, even though they're 14th. It has a lot to do with the mad [oops] that run the English press, I would say. The circus is doing no one any favors except the press, and I say buck the trend.
In American sports, managers seem to get a lot more time too. Just because the fans love the club doesn't mean they know anything about how it needs to be run. The Red Sox just went from World Series Champions to bottom of their division, but they're not going to sack their manager because they know he can deliver the goods. Managers occasionally go after one year, but only when it's absolute disaster. Spain really? they sack managers every year or so. I was just going to comment on this as well, Spain and Italy are EXACTLY the same. You tend to get a bit more time with German clubs because their whole system of money wages etc is different. Spain and Italy however chop and change, want immediate success etc etc, just as much as English clubs.
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Maybe at the smaller clubs, but Simeone has been there for a few years, and Real has only had 2 coaches since 2010; which is fewer than us, United, Chelsea, or Spurs; and I expect Ancelotti to stay for a bit. Barca had Pep for a long time and he left of his own accord. Tito would have stayed longer without his health problems, although, granted Tata left after a year. Bilboa keep their theirs for at least 3 years a piece.
As for Italy, Juventus had Conte for three years and just hired Allegri. Granted the Milan clubs have been revolving doors, but they've been the picture of instability of late, and the carousel isn't exactly working. Napoli's last manager before Rafa was there for 4 years, and Reja was there another 4 before that.
My point is the sack race is small club mentality. Rebuilds are expensive and in many cases unnecessary. I'd rather see Rodgers be given time.
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Rodgers is in his third year thats pretty much your limit according to your analysis red. He will be given time but no more than another 18 months is my guess.
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