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You may be right but Liverpool are a big club or at least I think they are. We finished second lays year almost won the title yet people speak as if we are trying to consolidate our position in the premiership

But it isn't last season. Arsenal, ourselves, and even City looked shadows of what they were last season. Only Chelsea actually looks that much better (United are stirring, but they haven't done it yet). It's going to take a little while to get into gear. We're still only 3 points off city, and we're level with Arsenal. The mid-table clubs are playing better because they had fewer players in the world cup and have no European football to contend with, but it'll balance out as the season goes on. The saints and Hammers won't be top 4 at the end of the season.

And we're also playing without the two most devastating pieces of that attack. This team is built around Danny and Raheem. When Sturridge gets back, we'll see more of what we saw against Dortmund in pre-season or Spurs this year. This team is capable of that.

No, we are trying to consolidate our position in the CL which is what i believe our priority is regarding the project in place to get us back to the top. I mentioned this two years ago when i explained how i saw the project and what i believed the aims were, in detail. To break it down, 1. Get back in the CL
2. Consolidate our CL status and strengthen whilst bringing in young players to create a youthful backbone to the squad for the future.
3. Make a real push for the title


This in the space of 5 years or so.

Last season it was noted we were ahead of schedule. The project seems to be proceeding according to plan. The squad is undoubtedly stronger now than 2 or 3 seasons ago. This new style of play or change of tactics or whatever might have been forces upon us or might be intentional to get the squad used to playing 2 very different styles. Either way i feel we are on track for a top 4 finish despite stuttering early on and i fully expect a proper title challenge within the next 2 years.

That's my take on things. I could be wrong, but that's how i see it.

Agreed and just on a sidenote. Much was made of underperforming Chelsea last season, but the experts all agreed it was down to them employing a completely new style and system of play. They were leaking goals last season much more than usual. This is what happens when teams are adjusting to a new style. Due to their finances, they are able to adapt quicker and bring in ready made players every year. We don't have that kind of money and it was made clear our aim would be to bring in younger players and develop them into what we wanted. This is why Chelsea can achieve their aims quicker than us but at a higher cost, however within a year or two i expect us to be competing for the title again and for us to become regular title challengers again.

Patience is a virtue.

Which we have had for nigh on 25 years and the more time goes of the more patient we get

Don’t accept the nonsense bit faz, but I agree both Mario and the team need to kick on, and yes a win when things are going poorly can and often has changed things, so let us hope that what happens.
On a more negative note I was disappointed by the showing from Markovich, he seems to have regressed rather than improved, pity that, because he has pace but after that doesn't showing much, hope he can pick it up, we need a winger on form.

Markovic wasnt great last night but he had some good runs and a few great passes which Lambert didnt manage to control unfortunately.

We lost the key component to our plan A and didn't buy the forward players to support it. So we bought plan B players and now we don't have a plan A? Yeah good point mate.

It isn't a latest craze, or hindsight or blah blah blah whatever buzz word you want to use to mask a proper counter argument, I said it (along with others) over the summer and unfortunately we are being proven right.

It was a terrible window where the majority of 120 million was wasted on players that didn't fit the system and were of average quality, and that's being proven every week thus far. A couple of players, like you mentioned Lovren, are a surprise as you would have thought he would slot in and perform quite quickly, but the majority of the money was spent on silly signings which is unforgivable as we used half decently we could have used the second largest transfer budget in the prem this summer to consolidate 4th fairly comfortably.

Well, Rodgers hasn't been here for 25 years. He's been here for 2, this being his third. His first year saw us become a strong attacking unit, and the second saw us finish second in touching distance of the title. That's enough to earn patience, regardless of the failures or successes of those before him. I know it's frustrating to not see us win the title for so many years, but that part has nothing to do with Rodgers.

As to your premise, I don't think we've been patient at all, and it's cost us. Impatience drove Rafa out, it drove Kenny out, and it's set us on course for one more rebuilding year after another.

By that logic Graeme souness would still be in charge of Liverpool