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Completely agree with you on Lovren.
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He's been pretty average this season and has been putting others in difficult situations and making them look bad. seems like no one notices.
Imo, we have 3 really good defenders and just needed one more.
Manquillo-????-Sakho-Moreno
Maybe Ilori will be that player?
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No mistake in aiming high stan. Have to believe we can win things even if we can't or don't. I'm sure even the lesser teams have belief they can win things. i'm sorry fello koptalker but you might want to review this statement. I understand your sentiments and have previously posted about the need to aim high, but it has to be reasonble and sensible. given how we finished last season aiming to win the title this season was perfectly reasonable and sensible. However, such an ambition would have needed to have been backed up by an appropriate summer transfer policy, i.e. focus on the EPL; be happy to be knocked of CL at round 1 and therefore buy a few top drawer players with the title in mind. However, having seen our transfer window activity, sold Suarez and taking into account the transfer activities of rivals, I suggest that setting a public target of winning the league would be regarded as bordering on delusional. I don't see why my statement isn't reasonable. Didn't say we would win it or even that I thought we could. Just that we should aim to at the start or what's the point? I guess the difference between us is in the detail. The discussion rose from Stan's point about him thunking a couple of weeks ago that we should be targetting the title and I believe he meant this season. Given our transfer business, I suggest that that is wholly unrealistic. In this context, the statement 'Have to believe we can win things even if we can't or don't.' is i suggest unreasonable. It's like burying your head in the sand. Of course we aspire to win the win league. But... is it a realistic target this season? No. Should the club be making public statements about our aim being to target or win the league this season? No. Should fans expect it this season? No. Is it possible we could win it? Yes. Is it likely? No The players should be aware of the expectations of the team and where we want to be but beyond that I suppose they should simply be drummed in with the philosphy that they need to take each game at a time and that the only important game is the next one. So should we not aim to win the league then? Realistic or not, what is the point if we don't?
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Most of the goals we've conceded have been from the left hand side of our defence. This has been occupied at first by Lovren and then Sakho, I've been really impressed with Moreno's ability on the ball and going forward but I think his defensive positions leave a lot to be desired at this moment in time, this will come with time and experience I'm sure.
However we haven't got the time to bed players in, if your spending £20mil on a centre back like Lovren who has been bought to replace Agger, then he has to perform straight away and like you say he hasn't at all.
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I think Sakho is a big problem too. Looks like a liability half the time and have my heart in my mouth when he has the ball. By biggest concern is over £100 million spent yet Borini and Lucas start. Says a lot for our recruitment
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I believe Markovic has only started one game for us at the moment which seems strange? I know he was suspended for the European game though!
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Obviously, you have built your opinion on our results, and hence our league position thus far. By this logic, none of City, Spurs, United or Everton has got a chance either. Top four would be Chelsea, Southhampton, Villa and Arsenal. If you find fault with my logic, then please tell me who outside the current top four will end up there and why do you give them a chance but clearly exclude our chances.
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Some good posts here.
I really am puzzled by how Rogers looked at how he was going to move forward this season.
If the reports are accurate it was no shock (if not entirely planned) that Suarez would go. The club has bought a number of potential decent young players that was obvious to even us amateurs would not only take time to bed in but also add a far higher element of risk as with Spurs- hard pressed to see how most are indeed now not flops with changes of manager and more than a season to adjust.
They have not been shielded to any extent by having also purchased a couple of WC talents. The great teams for long periods add a couple (just like Chelsea have done) and carry on ticking and improving. We have uprooted the tree and replanted a sapling.
With Suarez at the club it affords you the luxury to have added a left back and maybe a Can. This has not happened.
Question is why has Rogers been unable to see this? This is also not hindsight. There were a fair few of us expressing these views early summer when it was clear who he was buying. I don't want to put anyone on the hook or take them off it but it does appear that he is tied to some extent still by a set criteria of what he is allowed to buy and although only 5 games in already looks like it could cost us a top4 finish and him his job.
Last edited by Top4; 23/09/14 03:30 AM.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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Some good posts here.
I really am puzzled by how Rogers looked at how he was going to move forward this season.
If the reports are accurate it was no shock (if not entirely planned) that Suarez would go. The club has bought a number of potential decent young players that was obvious to even us amateurs would not only take time to bed in but also add a far higher element of risk as with Spurs- hard pressed to see how most are indeed now not flops with changes of manager and more than a season to adjust.
They have not been shielded to any extent by having also purchased a couple of WC talents. The great teams for long periods add a couple (just like Chelsea have done) and carry on ticking and improving. We have uprooted the tree and replanted a sapling.
With Suarez at the club it affords you the luxury to have added a left back and maybe a Can. This has not happened.
Question is why has Rogers been unable to see this? This is also not hindsight. There were a fair few of us expressing these views early summer when it was clear who he was buying. I don't want to put anyone on the hook or take them off it but it does appear that he is tied to some extent still by a set criteria of what he is allowed to buy and although only 5 games in already looks like it could cost us a top4 finish and him his job.
I think the first team players BR bought were Lallana, Balotelli, Moreno and Lovren with the first 2 bought to 'replace' Suarez. The others we bought were for the future + squad players. We should have bought a first team CM, but I feel that BR doesn't feel that as a priority, I don't understand why, don't think it has anything to do with transfer policy. However, this could cost him his job if we don't get top 4.
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Hmm,
You could well be right Vish but I find it hard to accept that most managers wouldn't want to fill the ranks with at least 1 Fabregas or Costa. They are not naive enough to think they never have to do what's best for them and balancing the clubs best interests with that of their own necks in a high pressure position such as LFC.
It cannot surely be that he would prefer to only find rough diamonds or those that are undervalued rather than also have the opportunity to bring in the best?
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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