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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
You do build gradually Vish quite correct as City are doing and lets remember their fan base was nothing like Liverpool and stay ins,t. But you give yourself scope to expand capacity wise if United can get 76k today pretty sure Liverpool could or very close to it. Yet the greatest we can ever do is 70k and I dont believe that will happen not for many years and united and city will be beyond that by then. We are limiting ourselves to below our upper limit from day one which might suit FSG as they can force the price up. No doubt Vish you will be happy at that outcome because on the odd time you come to england you might stand more chance of a ticket. Try to think of the club not yourself


I am always thinking of the club, this is why I want to have all money dedicated to it's success while you want the stadium for one main reason, so the the ticket price can go down because of a higher offer.

Let us not forget that your FSG hate started when they increased the ticket price even when you knew that the club needed more money because of our dire financial condition. Your problem was that you wouldn't be able to go to games even if there were other fans willing to pay more than you to enjoy what you have enjoyed for years.

Think again when you ask me to think of the club and not of myself because I don't understand how by saying that we need to prioritise success, I am thinking of myself.

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I think I know better than you when my FSG hate started vish. I don't hate them by the way just don't trust them. I think you will find I mistrusted them from day one and what my fears were have proved to be the case. They are spending the bare minimum and leaving the club without the long term capacity to compete at the very top of British football where at one time we were the undesputed leaders. Not only will we never get back there but we seem to have given up trying and I don't apply this just to the owners who are speculators no more, no it seems many fans have given up. You yourself said yesterday the club has not been at the top for many years and therefore our ground should be planned on our likely status which is a top half table club no more. Most Liverpool fans I know aim higher and are appalled at the lack of vision for the club


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I think I know better than you when my FSG hate started vish. I don't hate them by the way just don't trust them. I think you will find I mistrusted them from day one and what my fears were have proved to be the case. They are spending the bare minimum and leaving the club without the long term capacity to compete at the very top of British football where at one time we were the undesputed leaders. Not only will we never get back there but we seem to have given up trying and I don't apply this just to the owners who are speculators no more, no it seems many fans have given up. You yourself said yesterday the club has not been at the top for many years and therefore our ground should be planned on our likely status which is a top half table club no more. Most Liverpool fans I know aim higher and are appalled at the lack of vision for the club


Vision, what vision. Didn't you say that you wouldn't spend your money in that vision if you had it, so easy to ask others to do what you wouldn't do yourself.

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Vish I am not a billionaire owner of a football club or do you think no one has a right to an opinion unless you can demonstrate you personally are prepared to put up £750m ?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish I am not a billionaire owner of a football club or do you think no one has a right to an opinion unless you can demonstrate you personally are prepared to put up £750m ?


The question was if you were a Billionaire, remember? And you said no, you would never invest in the football. No I wouldn't invest because I don't believe that this is a priority, right now, getting to 58k seats by spending 150m is the most sensible thing to do for the best future of the club, this is what I believe.

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Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish I am not a billionaire owner of a football club or do you think no one has a right to an opinion unless you can demonstrate you personally are prepared to put up £750m ?


The question was if you were a Billionaire, remember? And you said no, you would never invest in the football. No I wouldn't invest because I don't believe that this is a priority, right now, getting to 58k seats by spending 150m is the most sensible thing to do for the best future of the club, this is what I believe.


I disagree spending £150m does not solve the problem only postpones it and we could well be wasting that money. However to be clear I would be devastated to destroy anfield I went there first as a 6 year old and have had many memories. So for me the refurbishment is the best emotional option but taking that out of the equation and using my head rather than heart a new stadium is the only option. I am expecting FSG to put the club up for sale after they have build phase 2 the anfield road I can't see where the club will go from there or who would be interested in a club with such a handicap

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish I am not a billionaire owner of a football club or do you think no one has a right to an opinion unless you can demonstrate you personally are prepared to put up £750m ?


The question was if you were a Billionaire, remember? And you said no, you would never invest in the football. No I wouldn't invest because I don't believe that this is a priority, right now, getting to 58k seats by spending 150m is the most sensible thing to do for the best future of the club, this is what I believe.


I disagree spending £150m does not solve the problem only postpones it and we could well be wasting that money. However to be clear I would be devastated to destroy anfield I went there first as a 6 year old and have had many memories. So for me the refurbishment is the best emotional option but taking that out of the equation and using my head rather than heart a new stadium is the only option. I am expecting FSG to put the club up for sale after they have build phase 2 the anfield road I can't see where the club will go from there or who would be interested in a club with such a handicap


I know you disagree but nobody knows, let's wait for a couple of years and we'll see.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: vish LFC
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Vish I am not a billionaire owner of a football club or do you think no one has a right to an opinion unless you can demonstrate you personally are prepared to put up £750m ?


The question was if you were a Billionaire, remember? And you said no, you would never invest in the football. No I wouldn't invest because I don't believe that this is a priority, right now, getting to 58k seats by spending 150m is the most sensible thing to do for the best future of the club, this is what I believe.


I disagree spending £150m does not solve the problem only postpones it and we could well be wasting that money. However to be clear I would be devastated to destroy anfield I went there first as a 6 year old and have had many memories. So for me the refurbishment is the best emotional option but taking that out of the equation and using my head rather than heart a new stadium is the only option. I am expecting FSG to put the club up for sale after they have build phase 2 the anfield road I can't see where the club will go from there or who would be interested in a club with such a handicap


I couldn't agree more with your analysis of where redeveloping anfield just to 56k seats. That leaves us behind where we should be the day its completed (not just seat numbers but in how effectively we can use the space in and around anfield most effectively. Its the cheapest option, not the best one for the club at all. I'm not sure FSG plan to sell up though, I guess we will see but they seem pretty long term.

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It appears that spending 170 mil is the sensible thing that based on the amount of information fsg have allowed us to know ? However if toffs can build a new 54 k stadia for 200 mil then that whould then make it appear not the sensible thing to do !
Its all smoke and mirrors at the moment but i can tell you now if the toffs do build a decent stadia for 200 - 250 mil then some serious questions will arise on fsg's reason for a 170 mil reno dont you think ?


Definitely questions will be raised regardless of what they do in my opinion. But unfortunately questions won't be able to undo what has been done, get money back, or make us start work on a new stadium. Which is why my heart breaks that this is the road we are taking. We aren't gonna get another chance at this.

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Heartbreaking


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