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It's arbitrary. Individual awards like that are nice I suppose, but it's like the oscars for me. I don't really care, I just want to watch them play (or in the case of the oscars, act). Yes, it's not objective but it's done through voting, so it is what the majority thinks like in a democracy
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Messi has never performed at International level....he has only ever produced the goods at club level and only at Barcelona. Zlatan on the other hand has had many standout performances at international level and has b+played superbly at every club he has gone to.
This story about Zlatan not being a team player is actually more applicable to Messi. Zlatan left Barcelona because he didnćt wish to play second fiddle to Messi. With Pep it was all about Lionel and he was viewed as a god at the club, Zlatan didnćt want to play at a club where one player was bigger than the team. Sanchez complained about the same treatment at Barca as did Etoćo. It seems that Messi rules the roost there. So that story about being selfish and arrogant is more applicable to Messi.
Zlatan is often viewed as arrogant but he is actually just a big joker...
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Messi has never performed at International level....he has only ever produced the goods at club level and only at Barcelona. Zlatan on the other hand has had many standout performances at international level and has b+played superbly at every club he has gone to.
This story about Zlatan not being a team player is actually more applicable to Messi. Zlatan left Barcelona because he didnćt wish to play second fiddle to Messi. With Pep it was all about Lionel and he was viewed as a god at the club, Zlatan didnćt want to play at a club where one player was bigger than the team. Sanchez complained about the same treatment at Barca as did Etoćo. It seems that Messi rules the roost there. So that story about being selfish and arrogant is more applicable to Messi.
Zlatan is often viewed as arrogant but he is actually just a big joker... Zlatan is very good and looks to be getting better, but IMO, he is not better than neither Messi, nor Ronaldo
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Thats perfectly ok, we all view players differently and have our favourites. As I said, for me, Zlatan is very underrated is better than Ronaldo and more proven than Messi.
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No one is disputing Ronaldo is a great player, but Zlatan has won leagues everywhere he has played.
Honours
Ajax
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02
Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002
Juventus
Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
Barcelona
La Liga (1): 2009–10
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
Milan
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014
Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14
I mean, that is impressive.
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No one is disputing Ronaldo is a great player, but Zlatan has won leagues everywhere he has played.
Honours
Ajax
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02
Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002
Juventus
Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
Barcelona
La Liga (1): 2009–10
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
Milan
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014
Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14
I mean, that is impressive. Yes it is but Ronaldo has also won all available trophies in the leagues he has played since he moved from Portugal at 17 and won 2 Ballon D'Or. He is also the one who made the difference for Portugal against Zlatan's Sweden and Portugal didn't have a much better team as we saw it in the WC.
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Better is something that's difficult to quantify. There are arguments for all 4 of them, but I'm not really convinced that we can really definitively say that one is better than the others. Just watching them with the ball is a completely different experience.
Messi is just pure control. It's like the ball is attached to an invisible string. He just glides through everything. It's technical excellence above all else. He doesn't need moves or tricks; the turns are just that tight and perfect.
Ronaldo is different. He's possibly the most complete athlete in the world. He could really play any sport he wanted. Speed, pace, power, dribbling, shooting: it's just more of everything. It's a blitz. A well-oiled machine.
Suarez is bottled tenacity, fire, workrate, and a few drops of mad genius. He's not that pacy (though very fit, he's probably slower than Messi and Ronaldo), but it's like every tackle, every run, every shot, every turn is his last. Even the way he dribbles, he's kicking it AT the defenders, bouncing it off them and slipping it through their legs, slipping through every crack in the defense, no matter how small. And he just tries things that don't make sense, crazy shots or passes or turns that somehow pan out.
Zlatan is just something else. It's a mixture of sublime technique, athleticism and sheer presence. There's is just an aura about him when he has the ball that makes everything look like it's in slow motion. A bit like Berbatov at his best, but not so lazy. The things he pulls off, from the crazy overhead kicks, the deft flicks, the goals he scores, it's insane. He's probably the most technically brilliant target man who ever lived. It just looks so easy when he plays.
All four of them are great players. I just don't know that you can really completely declare one better than the other.
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Better is something that's difficult to quantify. There are arguments for all 4 of them, but I'm not really convinced that we can really definitively say that one is better than the others. Just watching them with the ball is a completely different experience.
Messi is just pure control. It's like the ball is attached to an invisible string. He just glides through everything. It's technical excellence above all else. He doesn't need moves or tricks; the turns are just that tight and perfect.
Ronaldo is different. He's possibly the most complete athlete in the world. He could really play any sport he wanted. Speed, pace, power, dribbling, shooting: it's just more of everything. It's a blitz. A well-oiled machine.
Suarez is bottled tenacity, fire, workrate, and a few drops of mad genius. He's not that pacy (though very fit, he's probably slower than Messi and Ronaldo), but it's like every tackle, every run, every shot, every turn is his last. Even the way he dribbles, he's kicking it AT the defenders, bouncing it off them and slipping it through their legs, slipping through every crack in the defense, no matter how small. And he just tries things that don't make sense, crazy shots or passes or turns that somehow pan out.
Zlatan is just something else. It's a mixture of sublime technique, athleticism and sheer presence. There's is just an aura about him when he has the ball that makes everything look like it's in slow motion. A bit like Berbatov at his best, but not so lazy. The things he pulls off, from the crazy overhead kicks, the deft flicks, the goals he scores, it's insane. He's probably the most technically brilliant target man who ever lived. It just looks so easy when he plays.
All four of them are great players. I just don't know that you can really completely declare one better than the other. It is hardly an exact science, this is why it goes through a voting system
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Better is something that's difficult to quantify. There are arguments for all 4 of them, but I'm not really convinced that we can really definitively say that one is better than the others. Just watching them with the ball is a completely different experience.
Messi is just pure control. It's like the ball is attached to an invisible string. He just glides through everything. It's technical excellence above all else. He doesn't need moves or tricks; the turns are just that tight and perfect.
Ronaldo is different. He's possibly the most complete athlete in the world. He could really play any sport he wanted. Speed, pace, power, dribbling, shooting: it's just more of everything. It's a blitz. A well-oiled machine.
Suarez is bottled tenacity, fire, workrate, and a few drops of mad genius. He's not that pacy (though very fit, he's probably slower than Messi and Ronaldo), but it's like every tackle, every run, every shot, every turn is his last. Even the way he dribbles, he's kicking it AT the defenders, bouncing it off them and slipping it through their legs, slipping through every crack in the defense, no matter how small. And he just tries things that don't make sense, crazy shots or passes or turns that somehow pan out.
Zlatan is just something else. It's a mixture of sublime technique, athleticism and sheer presence. There's is just an aura about him when he has the ball that makes everything look like it's in slow motion. A bit like Berbatov at his best, but not so lazy. The things he pulls off, from the crazy overhead kicks, the deft flicks, the goals he scores, it's insane. He's probably the most technically brilliant target man who ever lived. It just looks so easy when he plays.
All four of them are great players. I just don't know that you can really completely declare one better than the other. It is hardly an exact science, this is why it goes through a voting system And it's also why I think that the system is stupid.
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