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These generalities don't convince me. It would take years before those 15k extra seats would cover the expense of building the stadium. A big stadium doesn't make a big club. It helps, sure. And I'd love a new one. But winning is far more important.

Old Trafford didn't give United the general earning power, Sir Alex Ferguson winning 26 trophies in 25 years did. They were the biggest club on the planet by some distance, and they won trophy after trophy, attracting millions upon millions of fans. The sponsor ship deal they got from Adidas dwarfs what they make at the turnstiles, and do you know why? Because the name Manchester United was synonymous with victory for years, and companies want to attatche themselves to that. If they don't continue to win, their earning power will tank.

Manchester United were a huge club before Alex ferguson went anywhere near them. Their attendances equalled or exceeded Liverpool's when we were winning everything. I agree you need success but there are no top clubs I can think of with a small ground with the exception. of Chelsea which has been supported by Russian money. Manchester United are a great club because of success and the stadium is part of that success. Salford keys of an evening the stadium is lit up viewed from the lowery centre and from where the bbc is broadcast media city and it looks absolutely magnificent and we are cramming seats into a tiny stadium to notionally get it to 60k. It's a tragedy it really is.

Sometimes you say Old Trafford is a great stadium, other times you saw the view is bad, so which is which? In 2 years time well have the 3rd biggest stadium only about a couple of thousand smaller than The Emirates with the possibility of going to 71k which would probably be at least in the top 4 in terms of capacity forever in the EPL, but you say our stadium will be small, how is that? You say we need a new stadium but also say that United has become the biggest club thanks to their stadium which is redeveloped. How credible can you be with all these contradictions you think? I feel you have good intentions for the club but are not clear in your thoughts.

Old TRafford is a great stadium but in areas has poor views but its still a great stadium. It holds 76k by the way

So, age of the stadium is not a problem and if we get to 71k, we'll be fine then?

It's 58k last time I saw the plans where does the 71k come from ?

58k is just the anfield road stand. there has been a future plan submitted that would involve expanding the centanary stand, and the number touted there is 71 k.

Really it's been submitted to the council ?

I think Russians Americans and Arabs are using infrastructural investments in the sterling area as a hedge against depreciating currency's and real estate at home in addition to almost negative interest rates, rather than making windfall profits from the game. However given the recruitment policy used by FSG they do indeed to set a "moneyball" in motion, and while they may never win the league with it, they'll be happy to reap a modest profit from all the combined incomes and eventually cash in on an appreciating asset and move on.
That's all stuff for accountants but as a football fan it leaves me pretty cold, I have to say. For me the impression that they don't have the ambition to win the league or to build a decent stadium is as you say, a real tragedy. They can keep their bloody moneyball, I want a decent stadium that can compete with the best and I want to win the league, including cups and CL!

According to the echo website there are potential plans to increase to 70k long term but then our rivals will be looking 80k and beyond. And how 70k will fit into such a small footprint god knows unless they build back and add new tiers ?