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Nice article and I agree with almost all of it either in principle or through genuine belief, though it does seem to describe everything 'FSG' from a certain rose tinted perspective and state some 'facts' with absolute certitude without actually providing any conclusive evidence, it's not a particularly subjective text and contains a bit too much conjecture for me.
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Thats fine but then people need to accept that in the long term Liverpool will not be a top European club we will be left behind. We probably will still stay in the premership level but not top four or champions league we wont have the infrastruture to compete. So who will have better infrastructure to compete, United yes, probably City, Arsenal might though there are no plans for them to go beyond 60k that I know. So I don't understand why we won't be top 4. Newcastle has better infrastructure than us, why are they not top 4, even Chelsea's infrastructure is smaller, so? Last but not least, nobody except you think that we cannot go to another stadium in 15 years or even further expand. I also don't remember reading anywhere that expanding the stadium is a bad idea (except your posts of course), I wonder why so many influencial and knowledgeable LFC fans haven't said so.
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Vish plenty of knowledgable fans have said so actually including many on koptalk I consider myself reasonably knowledgable myself without sounding conceited I live in the area close to all the big four north west clubs I go to their grounds at least once a year I have gone to anfield as a supporter for 50 years I am a qualified accountant who works in local regeneration and planning. I am sure others know more than me but I am hardly a remote thicko either. As for not being able to influence matters I am not sure there is much we can influence on any subject matter such as who we buy or what position they play or formations etc it's all opinions. I can't overstate how much of a disaster it is for Liverpool not to build a new stadium with appropriate infrastructure it will effectively finish the club as a top class contender. I am waiting for the day Everton move to a new stadium that will be the ultimate shame for the club while we are in outdated anfield.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion. Many other fans, also knowledgeable, who live in and around Liverpool, as well as those who live further away, disagree.
You have your opinion, we have ours.
Just one question,
Would you rather LFC got a new stadium and no league title for another 25 years or a refurbed Anfield and a few league titles?
Which one is more important for the future of our fan base and the success of the club? In my opinion, league titles and trophies. I have a sneaking suspicion you are gonna go with stadium....but may i remind you, Man city could have a 300k seater stadium, but without the league title and trophies they won, they would still be a mid table team with a dwindling fan base. Trophies win fans over, success breeds success.
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I will attempt to answer your question marko obviously I want both titles and a top stadium and I think Liverpool fans have a right to want that city and United have it why are we the poor relation. But if I had to choose perhaps sacrificing a little short term success over a long term future I would choose the long term future what other choice is there? In ten years time Liverpool will be out muscled in the transfer market by clubs who are bigger and wealthier than us. You can dream all you want about world wide fan base and sponsorship but the other clubs will have that as well and more than us as Manchester United have just demonstrated. It is absolutely essentially Liverpool have a new stadium that gives us the flexiability to go to 75k or higher and markets the club. A refurbished anfield can never do that
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Apart from the most important thing the stadium that's FSG's job and they have failed Id rather have a winning team than a new stadium
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Things are fluid Stan. You appear fixed in the notion that FSG will own the club forever and a day yet you speak of their plan being short term which would suggest to me the complete opposite.
I am less stressed over it because I actually feel somewhere in the short to medium term they will sell to a City type owner and the sand shifts again.
As champions and a club firmly footed back amongst the big players in the game (even if we have a sub par stadium) there will be plenty of the owners every man and his dog appears to want queuing up to buy this club.
They have put decent team funding into Rogers's kitty, he looks to have spent well and we are on the up on the field. Let's hope the success comes quickly and we may just be shot of these guys you appear to despise so much.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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Vish plenty of knowledgable fans have said so actually including many on koptalk I consider myself reasonably knowledgable myself without sounding conceited I live in the area close to all the big four north west clubs I go to their grounds at least once a year I have gone to anfield as a supporter for 50 years I am a qualified accountant who works in local regeneration and planning. I am sure others know more than me but I am hardly a remote thicko either. As for not being able to influence matters I am not sure there is much we can influence on any subject matter such as who we buy or what position they play or formations etc it's all opinions. I can't overstate how much of a disaster it is for Liverpool not to build a new stadium with appropriate infrastructure it will effectively finish the club as a top class contender. I am waiting for the day Everton move to a new stadium that will be the ultimate shame for the club while we are in outdated anfield. I am not talking about posters here who in my opinion are not knowledgeable enough, including me but talking about people wyose full time job is to analyse football matters. I do not have access to all articles but I don't remember anyone saying that the stadium redevelopment is a bad idea, every article I have read is saying it's a good thing. With all due respect, I don't think you are that knowledgeable otherwise you would be posting on the Echo, not here.
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That's exactly what it boils down to. Do we trust the real experts or do we trust the self proclaimed "experts" on here? That includes all of us, whichever our opinion.
I choose to trust the people with all the facts and variables in front of them, who analyzed the situation thoroughly and decided this was the best way forward. Not everything is a conspiracy theory.
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There was a few question marks about FSG at first and rightly so but the way I see it, they have done everything to ensure we are in a better position each season, I see a lot of progress under their guidence both on the field and out. I do admit I was a little bit disappointed when I heard they are only refurbishing anfield and not building a new stadium because lets face it, Anfield is very old. The emirates stadium cost close to $500m so theres a huge difference obviously and that is the reason they want to refurb for 100-150m instead of blowing everything they own on a new one. I think every single lfc fan would welcome a new stadium no doubt but I think we're going forward and would still be happy with refurb.
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