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Depends on timescale a poor manager (stop the foul language Vish please) can have success short term provided they have overwhelming funds or take over an established too club but not long term I agree with you on that.

Dalglsh never achieved success other than in short spells and this was right through his career where he had not got overwhelming advantage he was an absolute failure ref Celtic and Newcastle.

If he is such a good manager can you explain his sacking after just 18 months by FSG ? And judging by John Henry's face at the end of the FA cup final I think he wanted to sack him much earlier. The club was a laughing stock.


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what foul language are you reffering to? cr@p? if so, it reminds me of these fools trying to get Hodgson accused of racism, politically correct people and all that...


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Depends on timescale a poor manager (stop the foul language Vish please) can have success short term provided they have overwhelming funds or take over an established too club but not long term I agree with you on that.

Dalglsh never achieved success other than in short spells and this was right through his career where he had not got overwhelming advantage he was an absolute failure ref Celtic and Newcastle.

If he is such a good manager can you explain his sacking after just 18 months by FSG ? And judging by John Henry's face at the end of the FA cup final I think he wanted to sack him much earlier. The club was a laughing stock.


You don't judge a manager over half a season. What I mean is, in his first half of the season we were the 3rd, yes 3rd best team of the league, in his second half we were still competing for champions league despite having Gerrard just getting back thus not match fit, Leiva out injured, in the 3rd half season (his worst in the league) we went to 2 cup finals winning one beating the 2 Manc teams on the way. The team gave up the league after the Arsenal game which we dominated and were very unlucky, you should remember that game if you are used to going to Anfield and Suarez missed 8 or 9 games.

You seem to have very high regards for FSG suddenly, how many times you have said on this forum that they don't know what they are doing, now surprise you are taking their action as a reference. What do you mean by language, and yes I am not English which is therefore not my first language, before you ask me the question as you have done it with others in the past, I hope you understand what I say.

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My beef with FSG is they have made a lot of basic errors the biggest being dalglsh which set us back years. But the main issue is lack of financial resources. As far as the language goes your English is exceptionally good better than most English posters on here.

I am pretty sure you know what the word crap means. It demeans you saying it as it does saying I have a crap opinion. It's just childish.

If you disagree with my viewpoint then argue back in a civil manner you will look better for it.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
My beef with FSG is they have made a lot of basic errors the biggest being dalglsh which set us back years. But the main issue is lack of financial resources. As far as the language goes your English is exceptionally good better than most English posters on here.

I am pretty sure you know what the word crap means. It demeans you saying it as it does saying I have a crap opinion. It's just childish.

If you disagree with my viewpoint then argue back in a civil manner you will look better for it.


Oh, you are talking about crap. I have argued a lot giving a lot of actual fact which IMO has been all useless. Anyway we disagree on the Dalglish subject to say the least, so I'll leave it there.

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Facts are selective and open to interpretation an example being wars the facts are always written and interpretated by the victors and normally by those who never participated in the war themselves.

My opinion on dalglsh is on my experience and judgement and events I personally witnessed.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Facts are selective and open to interpretation an example being wars the facts are always written and interpretated by the victors and normally by those who never participated in the war themselves.

My opinion on dalglsh is on my experience and judgement and events I personally witnessed.


What about those he managed (players and staff, the last being Clark), former and current greats, you feel you have more experience and judgement than them? That would be very presumptuous of you, though I won't be too surprised if you said so.

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Vish is that how you base your judgements ? On a quote from a newspaper of an ex footballer or ex colleague of dalglsh ? Yes of course they are going to praise him,

I prefer my own judgement. But if you must take quotes ask faz what he thinks he also witnessed it personally


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Facts are selective and open to interpretation an example being wars the facts are always written and interpretated by the victors and normally by those who never participated in the war themselves.

My opinion on dalglsh is on my experience and judgement and events I personally witnessed.


I believe you have gotten that wrong Stanley, which is strange... You see, the FACTS are not written by the victors. History is written by the victors, but the facts remain the facts! facts are not open to interpretation or manipulation, which is the beauty of facts.

Might I suggest you check the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

Wikipedia, it can teach us so much.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish is that how you base your judgements ? On a quote from a newspaper of an ex footballer or ex colleague of dalglsh ? Yes of course they are going to praise him,

I prefer my own judgement. But if you must take quotes ask faz what he thinks he also witnessed it personally


I don't go to games because I can't and according to you what we see on tv and internet is not good enough, granted you might have a case. My next choice is to believe you and Faz or former great players and staff, believe me, there is not much of a choice for me on who to believe. Sorry to say than, but, to me Stanley Park and Fazerkerly Reds are noboby, really, nobody.

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