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If that's not to your taste, then perhaps this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEgA3BX-Hw

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Originally Posted By: redordead13
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Paisley created something that endured we can't judge fagan he was in too short a time. Dalglsh did create a top team (with support) in 87 / 88 but within 12 months it started to fall apart. The trajectory was downwards. His other short term success was also achieved with overwhelming advantage namely jack walkers unlimited chequebook. Again it fell to pieces after a short period. This indicates a manager who has a lack of ability and cannot succeed without overwhelming advantage and even then cannot sustain it. His career at Celtic, Newcastle and the second coming at Liverpool was laughable. He has done untold damage to all the clubs he managed including Blackburn and his wasting of owners money is unsurpassed.

I hate the man. If he had honour he would certainly not be back at Liverpool,for more handouts. If he had honour then he should stick to the golf course he has tens of millions in the bank.


Paisely, Fagan, and Shankly all had fat purses. I won't argue that he's better than Bob or Bill. Those are the two greatest we ever had and probably ever will. But Rafa only ever won the two trophies (although that CL final is the most special match I have ever watched) and never the league, and Evans' side, despite being entertaining, were full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Houllier won several trophies, but he made even more blunders than the ones you accuse Kenny of making. Fagan, as you say, was not there long enough to judge. Kenny is the de facto third best of an exceptional group. He continued a reign of success, but when a successful manager steps down, it's not always smooth sailing. Look at Fergie's retirement. Coming off 26 years of the most successful manager the prem has ever had, Moyes took over a club that has been more or less winning the title or something else at least every other year. He was hand chosen, but the transition was still not smooth. Similarly, it took city years of cash injection to assert themselves. Money is a factor, but you can't really buy titles.

I disagree with the Newcastle and Blackburn statements as well. He didn't wreck them Kenny took a team that was newly promoted to a fourth, second and first place finish in the league— in that order. Yes he had money, but money doesn't always translate to success. Blackburn fell apart when he was no longer manager, and they destroyed the house that Kenny built, not the other way around.

Newcastle have never REALLY been the big club they think they are, and they have never really had success with anyone. They haven't won a title since the twenties or a trophy at all since the fifties, even in Shearer's glory days. He didn't set the world alight there, but I'm not really surprised. A failure, yes, but certainly no bigger than Rafa's failure at Inter.

Kenny didn't come back for money. He could have left many times as a player if that's what it was. He's at home with Liverpool, and that's all that motivates him to keep coming back. He loves the club and the supporters, and if you think otherwise, I say you are gravely mistaken.


I think we are all losing our time with SP. A few months back I mentioned how Beardsley was talking very highly of KD after following his interview of LFC tv, and despite the fact that KD was trying to sell him (Beardsley mentioned this bit too and what KD told him), Mr SP came with some justification that Beardsley had reasons to say so but did it mean it. I mean, how would SP know KD better than Bearsley or even mention that the latter didn't really meant what he said. This is irrational.

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There were rumoured to be some personal issues between Beardsley and dalglsh certainly dalglsh kept dropping him for some reason and playing him out of position never got my head around that one. That was when kenny started to lose the plot and play 6 defenders and other bonkers stuff.

Can anyone explain why dalglish left Blackburn so suddenly and in so short space of time? Don't you think that's odd ? Then the team fell apart just after he left none of you think that's strange ?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
There were rumoured to be some personal issues between Beardsley and dalglsh certainly dalglsh kept dropping him for some reason and playing him out of position never got my head around that one. That was when kenny started to lose the plot and play 6 defenders and other bonkers stuff.

Can anyone explain why dalglish left Blackburn so suddenly and in so short space of time? Don't you think that's odd ? Then the team fell apart just after he left none of you think that's strange ?


Jaysus Stan, go and have a pint and relax man.

You have been banging this drum all day.

You aint going to change anyones mind.

Still think you are a top poster though we are never going to agree on this one.

How highly do you rate Rodgers?

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Rodgers is doing ok not a great I would say but a man for his time which is to steady the ship and try to get us back in champions league contention which looks to be going ok this season.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
There were rumoured to be some personal issues between Beardsley and dalglsh certainly dalglsh kept dropping him for some reason and playing him out of position never got my head around that one. That was when kenny started to lose the plot and play 6 defenders and other bonkers stuff.

Can anyone explain why dalglish left Blackburn so suddenly and in so short space of time? Don't you think that's odd ? Then the team fell apart just after he left none of you think that's strange ?


Well, I told you, Beardsley talked about that and his discussions with KD about it, despite this he talked very very highly about KD, his best ever manager, his own words. Back to Blackburn, the way I see it, he set himself a target and when that was achieved, he didn't have the same motivation and probably wanted a new role. He had managed one of the best teams of Europe, won titles including a double, then left because he couldn't take the pressure anymore, after a few weeks he felt that he had made a mistake and wanted back, but then, the club had other plans.

I think he took the Blackburn job as a challenge, to prove himself that he could win the league again, he didn't have very long term plans as Blackburn manager. I am sure he wanted to finish his carrer at LFC, it's like a fan, when you have tasted LFC, everything else is sour. Else, why would he stop managing Blackburn who had just won the EPL, the team was not old neither.

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Originally Posted By: KingoftheKop
If that's not to your taste, then perhaps this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEgA3BX-Hw
OMG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_win_2o8PNs


That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
There were rumoured to be some personal issues between Beardsley and dalglsh certainly dalglsh kept dropping him for some reason and playing him out of position never got my head around that one. That was when kenny started to lose the plot and play 6 defenders and other bonkers stuff.

Can anyone explain why dalglish left Blackburn so suddenly and in so short space of time? Don't you think that's odd ? Then the team fell apart just after he left none of you think that's strange ?


Well, I told you, Beardsley talked about that and his discussions with KD about it, despite this he talked very very highly about KD, his best ever manager, his own words. Back to Blackburn, the way I see it, he set himself a target and when that was achieved, he didn't have the same motivation and probably wanted a new role. He had managed one of the best teams of Europe, won titles including a double, then left because he couldn't take the pressure anymore, after a few weeks he felt that he had made a mistake and wanted back, but then, the club had other plans.

I think he took the Blackburn job as a challenge, to prove himself that he could win the league again, he didn't have very long term plans as Blackburn manager. I am sure he wanted to finish his carrer at LFC, it's like a fan, when you have tasted LFC, everything else is sour. Else, why would he stop managing Blackburn who had just won the EPL, the team was not old neither.


I am sorry that does not stack up. Why would he join blackburn just to vanish once they won something ? it simply does not add up. If he only wanted to manage LFC then why accept a job at celtic, newcastle and blackburn it does not add up. Vish you are really scraping the barrel with logic above.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
There were rumoured to be some personal issues between Beardsley and dalglsh certainly dalglsh kept dropping him for some reason and playing him out of position never got my head around that one. That was when kenny started to lose the plot and play 6 defenders and other bonkers stuff.

Can anyone explain why dalglish left Blackburn so suddenly and in so short space of time? Don't you think that's odd ? Then the team fell apart just after he left none of you think that's strange ?


Well, I told you, Beardsley talked about that and his discussions with KD about it, despite this he talked very very highly about KD, his best ever manager, his own words. Back to Blackburn, the way I see it, he set himself a target and when that was achieved, he didn't have the same motivation and probably wanted a new role. He had managed one of the best teams of Europe, won titles including a double, then left because he couldn't take the pressure anymore, after a few weeks he felt that he had made a mistake and wanted back, but then, the club had other plans.

I think he took the Blackburn job as a challenge, to prove himself that he could win the league again, he didn't have very long term plans as Blackburn manager. I am sure he wanted to finish his carrer at LFC, it's like a fan, when you have tasted LFC, everything else is sour. Else, why would he stop managing Blackburn who had just won the EPL, the team was not old neither.


I am sorry that does not stack up. Why would he join blackburn just to vanish once they won something ? it simply does not add up. If he only wanted to manage LFC then why accept a job at celtic, newcastle and blackburn it does not add up. Vish you are really scraping the barrel with logic above.


So why would be leave a league winning side then? Even if you assume that the team was falling apart, he could have built it again as he did it before, remember? He accepted the other teams because LFC didn't come calling, what's difficult to understand there? He stopped when he saw that there was no chance anymore. I think you need to go and meditate on your hill again, you have started to lose the plot with KD.

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What's difficult to understand Vish ?

Everything I have no idea what you are talking about. Your explanations are so complex it would baffle a rocket scientist. Dalglsh joins Blackburn because he can't manage Liverpool whom he resigned from a year or two previous. He does an immense job but Liverpool don't want him ? Why not I ask ?

Then because he wants to go to Liverpool he joins Newcastle and Celtic

See how I am confused

Nothing you are saying makes sense and insulting me does not unfortunately make it clearer for me. I think he left Blackburn in a hurry because the same things were happening as we're at Liverpool and the team collapsed after he left backburn because he had got out before collapse begin. And that's te story f his career the same thing happened second coming to Liverpool short improvement then total collapse. It happened at Celtic and Newcastle too.


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