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I maintain as a supporter you can tell whether a player is going to be good within a short space of time often within the first few touches. This does not just apply to football but all sports.

Also I don't want to elevate match day fans but I honestly think you get a better idea seeing it in the flesh rather than on tv. I know it sounds illogical but there's something about seeing it yards away from yourself. I remember the first time I saw Paul Gascogne I was astounded at his skills which were sublime. I would not have seen it on the tv.

No disrespect intended just making that point

So what is it that determines class ?

For me it's these

Time - this is the main one all top sportsmen seem to have twice the time as the others.

Effortless - they make it look easy.

Innovative - they do things you have never thought of and do the unexpected

Anticipation - the crowd picks up on the skill and there is an anticipation that is almost audible and tangible. I remember being at old traffiord when John Barnes was running them ragged. You could hear the old traffiord crowd breathe in when the ball went to him which Liverpool were trying to do at every opportunity.

Of course it's all relative players span from poor to world class and somewhere in between.

So that's what I would say are the attributes of quality what would you say and would you like to add any ?

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I maintain as a supporter you can tell whether a player is going to be good within a short space of time often within the first few touches. This does not just apply to football but all sports.

Also I don't want to elevate match day fans but I honestly think you get a better idea seeing it in the flesh rather than on tv. I know it sounds illogical but there's something about seeing it yards away from yourself. I remember the first time I saw Paul Gascogne I was astounded at his skills which were sublime. I would not have seen it on the tv.

No disrespect intended just making that point

So what is it that determines class ?

For me it's these

Time - this is the main one all top sportsmen seem to have twice the time as the others.

Effortless - they make it look easy.

Innovative - they do things you have never thought of and do the unexpected

Anticipation - the crowd picks up on the skill and there is an anticipation that is almost audible and tangible. I remember being at old traffiord when John Barnes was running them ragged. You could hear the old traffiord crowd breathe in when the ball went to him which Liverpool were trying to do at every opportunity.

Of course it's all relative players span from poor to world class and somewhere in between.

So that's what I would say are the attributes of quality what would you say and would you like to add any ?


I am sure you can see quality in a player on the tv too, it's true that it's more obvious to see skill while physical attributes is improved through training and hard work. Never thought Lucas would be a skillful player, he improved his work rate and positioning and became a defensive midfielder where such attributes are key despite starting as an attacking midfielder but will never make it because here you need skills and great technique.

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lucas and henderson are not class players.

truly class players u can tell within seconds.
suarez when he came on as sub for his debut - seconds
first time I saw alonso
modric was the same.

another way to tell is if they play midfield and wenger wants them,then they are class

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I maintain as a supporter you can tell whether a player is going to be good within a short space of time often within the first few touches. This does not just apply to football but all sports.

Also I don't want to elevate match day fans but I honestly think you get a better idea seeing it in the flesh rather than on tv. I know it sounds illogical but there's something about seeing it yards away from yourself. I remember the first time I saw Paul Gascogne I was astounded at his skills which were sublime. I would not have seen it on the tv.

No disrespect intended just making that point

So what is it that determines class ?

For me it's these

Time - this is the main one all top sportsmen seem to have twice the time as the others.

Effortless - they make it look easy.

Innovative - they do things you have never thought of and do the unexpected

Anticipation - the crowd picks up on the skill and there is an anticipation that is almost audible and tangible. I remember being at old traffiord when John Barnes was running them ragged. You could hear the old traffiord crowd breathe in when the ball went to him which Liverpool were trying to do at every opportunity.

Of course it's all relative players span from poor to world class and somewhere in between.

So that's what I would say are the attributes of quality what would you say and would you like to add any ?

Yeah I’d agree, the really great players have all that about them and its pretty obvious right from the off.
I’d add determination, hunger and consistency to your list, particularly consistency, the great player does it in every game, even in their off game day they still pull out a performance by raising their game when needed. The average player can’t do that, theres a flatness about their performance that’s noticeable.

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Originally Posted By: EMP
lucas and henderson are not class players.

truly class players u can tell within seconds.
suarez when he came on as sub for his debut - seconds
first time I saw alonso
modric was the same.

another way to tell is if they play midfield and wenger wants them,then they are class


That's the way I feel.

As for KP,s jibe actually not true about Lucas. Henderson yes did critique him first season. But as emp says by no stretch of the imagination are either class players.

As for seeing class on tv yes of course but I feel slightly better in the flesh. Not just football all sports. Motor racing being a prime example.


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Alonso was not that great in his debut, and neither was Modric....I think there are many that aren't that great and take time to become world class. Look at Zidane for one.


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Also, I have only ever watched Zidane on TV, but I could see he was world class...despite being thousands of miles away. Strange...


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Immediate impact followed by consistency over at least 2 seasons

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Originally Posted By: Prolific Borini
Alonso was not that great in his debut, and neither was Modric....I think there are many that aren't that great and take time to become world class. Look at Zidane for one.


I don't agree soon as alonso touched the ball you could see he was class. You are confusing overall contribution on debut with what I am talking about which is in definable but you know it when you see it. I can't explain it on a forum marko or anywhere else.


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Originally Posted By: Prolific Borini
Also, I have only ever watched Zidane on TV, but I could see he was world class...despite being thousands of miles away. Strange...


Of course just as I watched pele as a child. But had I seen pele that would have been an extra dimension. By the way I have had the privilege of seeing George best play some say the greatest ever from these shores and some say better than pele. One thing for sure I remember it and always will.


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