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Some things aren't able to be judged by stats yet... Obviously things like mentality and ability to be hard-working are characteristics in players, but the majority of the game is based in stats. And I say not statistically, but obviously yes and no is quite easily analysed. I'm not quite sure why people believe that stats don't prove most of these traits, but we can all agree to disagree.
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I usually analyse players with my eyes, stats can be useful, of that there is no doubt, but stats alone dont tell the whole story
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can i ask what are you getting at? Have you watched the game since? My point is stats can be deceiving Only if you use them absolutely without context. For example, rattling off stats from a particular game without seeing the match itself is a useless endeavor. Stats are a tool to analyze the game. But without the game itself for context, using them for an argument is like trying to build a car out of wrenches and screwdrivers, but omitting bolts, nuts, a frame, or an engine. However, if you actually watched the game, you'd have seen the complete lack of pressure on our defense save 20 or so minutes in the second half. You'd have seen our authority and control exerted, especially in the first half, and you'd have seen that of the many shots that villa took, most of them were poor and speculative efforts. You'd also be able to put the possession stats into context, because you'd be able to see that they only had the ball in specific spells, but were otherwise starved for it. So please, quit mentioning Villa stats until you watch the game, because until you do, you quite literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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are you basing this whole game on stats because you didn't see it? You are giving out about people being argumentative with them but this seems pretty argumentative to me
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Obviously you aren't reading anything I say, so trying to have a conversation about it seems futile. As I said, watch the game, or you have no clue what the stats mean. Have you watched the game?
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Re. JJ
I have explained my thoughts , and that others use the same reasoning so any more questioning me on it is being argumentative to me when I have expressed a reasonable reply is that what you want I know your thoughts you know mine we don't agree that's ok cheers jj I just said we'll agree to disagree AGAIN... what do you want from me... You have actually just proven redordeads point. Using one stat, out of context again, to try and prove your point. I rest my case.
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But he won't because he won't read the whole post.
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we all know that stats can be misleading but you are refusing to accept what JJ has said about them being used in a context and in addition to actually watching the match. I find it baffling that you have so much to say on the match when you haven't actually watched it.
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are you basing this whole game on stats because you didn't see it? You are giving out about people being argumentative with them but this seems pretty argumentative to me No again I'm saying stats are deceiving and can be made to suit most or any argument as politicians often do ! end of explained some people live and die by stats on here and they can be misleading if that is not plain to you I can't help any more GOD help me The only one who's arguments on this thread "live and die" by stats, is you. The rest of us saw the game. That's nothing against stats, it's just just common sense.
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can i ask what are you getting at? Have you watched the game since? My point is stats can be deceiving Only if you use them absolutely without context. For example, rattling off stats from a particular game without seeing the match itself is a useless endeavor. Stats are a tool to analyze the game. But without the game itself for context, using them for an argument is like trying to build a car out of wrenches and screwdrivers, but omitting bolts, nuts, a frame, or an engine. However, if you actually watched the game, you'd have seen the complete lack of pressure on our defense save 20 or so minutes in the second half. You'd have seen our authority and control exerted, especially in the first half, and you'd have seen that of the many shots that villa took, most of them were poor and speculative efforts. You'd also be able to put the possession stats into context, because you'd be able to see that they only had the ball in specific spells, but were otherwise starved for it. So please, quit mentioning Villa stats until you watch the game, because until you do, you quite literally have no idea what you are talking about. Possession was approx 50/50 according to bbc ? Are you seriously discussing a match you didnt see??
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