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right so lads, just so you know, faz is still banging on the notify button, im probably going to get my ass handed to me for this, but youre looking at the reason this place isnt what it was. the fun police.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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I see trouble ahead! Just remove him from the notification system  put him in some sort of spam filter, or even better send the directly to cool.
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ill take the bullet for it, its about time things were sorted out around here and people held their hands up and said fair enough when they are wrong. excessive notifications is one of the things that is having a negative impact on the forum.
if i lose my account for the better of the forum then so be it.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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I am not a moderator so I dont know but whoever the big baby or babies are playing around with the notify button because your toys are out the pram, grow up!
You are destroying this forum.
And we have forced two dedicated moderators off he site. I hope you will all be volunteerng to replace them ?
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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The Stadium is no nearer to being started than under Hicks and Gillette, I drive past it every day and believe me there is no spade in the ground, can I say that or am I baiting What you're saying, is you need to see progress physically with the stadium. But you are disregarding all the work that has to do be done behind the scenes before any of that is possible. As a student architect, I know that big projects take a lot of time to get off the ground. Most of the time this takes a couple of years, especially the case with historic building that are already existing. Given that the club have already said that announcements are going to be made once the buildings have been purchased, bemoaning the fact you haven't seen a building come down seems a little ridiculous. the next thing is FSG building the team up, how is this when we are getting shut of higher earners with experience and bringing in substandard players on alot less how can these cost cutting measures bridge the gap between ourselves and the top four, can I say that or am I baiting Firstly, how are all the players sub-standard? I know it is a matter of opinion, but one of the players we've signed just won player of the year for the North-East. The other from the UK is a leader and proven winner, and 3 years younger than the guy he has come into replace. Then you're judging the players from abroad, that I am sure 99% of people on here haven't seen play for a full season, before they've had time to settle or even played a single competitive match for the club. On previous record, we also signed Coutinho and Sturridge, who both played for top clubs before us, and have proven astute buys. It is not about being positive, but randomly criticising players who haven';t even played a game for a club seems a little OTT. the next thing is the top four, all our top four rivals have more money and power, play champions league every season and can attract the top players not to mention give them top wages, we can't Pretty sure the club can, or else Skrtel, Agger, Suarez and Gerrard wouldn't have signed new deals. The point, was to rid the club of experienced players who were no longer offering the quality we intended to pay for. Why should the club pay Downing £70k a week when his contribution to our seasons has barely been worth £7k? Why should Reina pick up more than any keeper in the Premier League when his performances have been matched by keepers on a fifth of that? It is not like we are recklessly just selling players. We are just selling those that either don't fit with the current style of play, or do, and have not performed well enough. and every season away from the top four is a season harder to get near, this for me is the future unless we get owners willing to match the top four pound for pound, can I say that or am I being too negative or baiting. Just my thoughts... You at least have not gone down your customary route of saying it is impossible. But in all honesty, look at what our main competition for 4th spot has done this window. Spurs have been looking to sell good young players like Caulker to fund moves. They are also potentially losing the guy that dictated all of their good moves last season. They have signed a striker, but have been looking to move on all their other ones. Arsenal have signed 1 young kid, and are loaning and selling some of their squad players. As yet, they haven't spent money. We have. We have, albeit arguably, improved players like for like, or at least the potential to have. Aspas is an improvement on not having another striker. Alberto is an improvement on an under-performing and at times reckless Shelvey. It is fine to say points, but where is the justification. If you know that our new signings are not very good then let us know why you think that, don't just state it. Fair play JJ. What i would like to hear from Mick is.. What is they way forward other than new Arab billionaire owners ? to be honest I think we have missed the boat, we should of been in a brand new, state of the art stadium years ago but the people in charge hesitated, costs went up and the chance was gone. I really worry about spending about 300 million pound on an extra 15k seats especialy when the likes of United are looking at 90k. I really admire FSG in trying to run the club right, totaly agree with getting these high earners off the wage bill and cutting our cloth accordingly, the only problem is that they are doing it now and it's the wrong time to implement such measures, you do it when you are in a position of strenghth not when you are 7th best team in the country trying to play catch up. I really don't know what we can do to alter our path to be honest as I only see it getting harder, the costs of the redevelopment will go right onto the match going fans who are already at breaking point, are we really going to fill 60k if we continue to finish mid table, how will we get better players to sign who will turn us into a top four side if we can't afford them or pay top four wages, these are all questions I can't answer. In my heart I am a Liverpool fan and hope we will come through it but in reality it doesn't look likely. These are just my thoughts and I am not delibrately being negative or trying to bait anyone... If you posted more like that you'd get along with people more
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Last year it was an estimated redevelopment cost of £150,000,000
A stadium partner would provide £10m - £20m a year, but obviously the non-european football is hurting the negotiations.
Cost per seat (using a low amount of £33) we would gain £0.5m per match, meaning a minimum of £10 million a year.
That means we would have at a minimum £20 million to play with.
Bonds seem to be about 5% pa (assuming 15 years)
£150 million + £7.5m in interest
£157.5m - £17.5m + £7m in interest <-- Team gains min £2.5m
£147m - £17m + £6.5m in interest <-- Team gains min £3m
etc etc
The stadium is a very viable plan, but it really pays for itself and only when its out the way do we really benefit.
If we had a great sponsor (partner) then we could easily benefit from day one. Also if the on the field improves and we get to play more games it is all positive.
If it was a new build then the cost would be double ie £300m+
Using the same figures
£300 million + £15m in interest
£315m - £25m + £14.5m in interest <-- increases other debt £5m
£304.5m - £24.5m + £14m in interest <-- other debt now £9.5m
etc etc There is another way though, if FSG wants go put the interest of the club above theirs. Instead of taking a loan, they look for a JV partner and issue new shares to raise equity capital. That would allow to pay for the stadium without debt servicing, basically, 20m would be available to invest in players. With this money we will have a better chance of qualifying for CL which will allow to increase revenues immediately. That would also mean that FSG would lose some control though as they will be having a JV partner to work with, which might not be very appealing to them.
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why is this sh!t even happening? it really is a joke and certain people should be ashamed of whats happened here.
i must admit for the majority of the time i tend to view the forum and topics rather than engage in posts because for the majority of the time i can't even deal with all the negativity and petty-ness. it really is dragging the forum down but fair play to the members who do actually have the intelligence to debate with each other sensibly.
i just don't get how some users get away with it. they play innocent and act the victim yet they're the ones purposely causing the divide. they shout and scream about how they're entitled to their own opinions but brand people names like "blind faither" for not agreeing with theirs.
what is all that about? we're all here for the same reason at the end of the day.
grow the [oops] up
Last edited by want3d; 06/08/13 09:43 PM.
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I have seen the evolution of koptalk for many seasons. the early days were filled with members who really knew the players and club. i have also seen ordinary members who become power crazy when they were nominated for moderators. it was not pleasant at times, seeing some people get too big for their shoes. many good posters and contributors also left because of petty fights etc
this is a site for liverpool fans - everyone's got an opinion so respect that. if you dont like it, quit the site or dont reply. if you do reply act sensibly. We are all adults and hiding behind our words and insults on the internet is insulting your intelligence.
these days i must admit i dont come here very often, not because i read other sites, but simply because i dont have the time.
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