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The Stadium is no nearer to being started than under Hicks and Gillette, I drive past it every day and believe me there is no spade in the ground, can I say that or am I baiting What you're saying, is you need to see progress physically with the stadium. But you are disregarding all the work that has to do be done behind the scenes before any of that is possible. As a student architect, I know that big projects take a lot of time to get off the ground. Most of the time this takes a couple of years, especially the case with historic building that are already existing. Given that the club have already said that announcements are going to be made once the buildings have been purchased, bemoaning the fact you haven't seen a building come down seems a little ridiculous. the next thing is FSG building the team up, how is this when we are getting shut of higher earners with experience and bringing in substandard players on alot less how can these cost cutting measures bridge the gap between ourselves and the top four, can I say that or am I baiting Firstly, how are all the players sub-standard? I know it is a matter of opinion, but one of the players we've signed just won player of the year for the North-East. The other from the UK is a leader and proven winner, and 3 years younger than the guy he has come into replace. Then you're judging the players from abroad, that I am sure 99% of people on here haven't seen play for a full season, before they've had time to settle or even played a single competitive match for the club. On previous record, we also signed Coutinho and Sturridge, who both played for top clubs before us, and have proven astute buys. It is not about being positive, but randomly criticising players who haven';t even played a game for a club seems a little OTT. the next thing is the top four, all our top four rivals have more money and power, play champions league every season and can attract the top players not to mention give them top wages, we can't Pretty sure the club can, or else Skrtel, Agger, Suarez and Gerrard wouldn't have signed new deals. The point, was to rid the club of experienced players who were no longer offering the quality we intended to pay for. Why should the club pay Downing £70k a week when his contribution to our seasons has barely been worth £7k? Why should Reina pick up more than any keeper in the Premier League when his performances have been matched by keepers on a fifth of that? It is not like we are recklessly just selling players. We are just selling those that either don't fit with the current style of play, or do, and have not performed well enough. and every season away from the top four is a season harder to get near, this for me is the future unless we get owners willing to match the top four pound for pound, can I say that or am I being too negative or baiting. Just my thoughts... You at least have not gone down your customary route of saying it is impossible. But in all honesty, look at what our main competition for 4th spot has done this window. Spurs have been looking to sell good young players like Caulker to fund moves. They are also potentially losing the guy that dictated all of their good moves last season. They have signed a striker, but have been looking to move on all their other ones. Arsenal have signed 1 young kid, and are loaning and selling some of their squad players. As yet, they haven't spent money. We have. We have, albeit arguably, improved players like for like, or at least the potential to have. Aspas is an improvement on not having another striker. Alberto is an improvement on an under-performing and at times reckless Shelvey. It is fine to say points, but where is the justification. If you know that our new signings are not very good then let us know why you think that, don't just state it. Fair play JJ. What i would like to hear from Mick is.. What is they way forward other than new Arab billionaire owners ? to be honest I think we have missed the boat, we should of been in a brand new, state of the art stadium years ago but the people in charge hesitated, costs went up and the chance was gone. I really worry about spending about 300 million pound on an extra 15k seats especialy when the likes of United are looking at 90k. I really admire FSG in trying to run the club right, totaly agree with getting these high earners off the wage bill and cutting our cloth accordingly, the only problem is that they are doing it now and it's the wrong time to implement such measures, you do it when you are in a position of strenghth not when you are 7th best team in the country trying to play catch up. I really don't know what we can do to alter our path to be honest as I only see it getting harder, the costs of the redevelopment will go right onto the match going fans who are already at breaking point, are we really going to fill 60k if we continue to finish mid table, how will we get better players to sign who will turn us into a top four side if we can't afford them or pay top four wages, these are all questions I can't answer. In my heart I am a Liverpool fan and hope we will come through it but in reality it doesn't look likely. These are just my thoughts and I am not delibrately being negative or trying to bait anyone...
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Using your head but ignore the fact that it would cost double and cripple us for a longer length of time.
If the 50% of the stadium can increase capacity to 60k, I really can't see why the other 50% can't also increase in the long term.
In the land of money growing on trees, we should move the stadium to a warmer climate and use teleporting booths to get to the game.
Maybe we could go to asia and exploit a 200k stadium.
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I agree with mick I can't see any answer to our problems other than new rich owners who are prepared to risk capital as Chelsea or city there is no other way
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I've been waiting for that to happen for over ten years now! I just don't see it happening, I think the stadium has been a major factor in us not getting an investor like that. Look at what happened to man city without the publicly financed stadium they received for nothing I don't think they would have the owners that they do. West Ham could be the next ones.
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Oh! And for the record I think the only reason Chelsea have abramovich is because he wants to get his hands on their stadium for prime real estate.
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The Stadium is no nearer to being started than under Hicks and Gillette, I drive past it every day and believe me there is no spade in the ground, can I say that or am I baiting What you're saying, is you need to see progress physically with the stadium. But you are disregarding all the work that has to do be done behind the scenes before any of that is possible. As a student architect, I know that big projects take a lot of time to get off the ground. Most of the time this takes a couple of years, especially the case with historic building that are already existing. Given that the club have already said that announcements are going to be made once the buildings have been purchased, bemoaning the fact you haven't seen a building come down seems a little ridiculous. the next thing is FSG building the team up, how is this when we are getting shut of higher earners with experience and bringing in substandard players on alot less how can these cost cutting measures bridge the gap between ourselves and the top four, can I say that or am I baiting Firstly, how are all the players sub-standard? I know it is a matter of opinion, but one of the players we've signed just won player of the year for the North-East. The other from the UK is a leader and proven winner, and 3 years younger than the guy he has come into replace. Then you're judging the players from abroad, that I am sure 99% of people on here haven't seen play for a full season, before they've had time to settle or even played a single competitive match for the club. On previous record, we also signed Coutinho and Sturridge, who both played for top clubs before us, and have proven astute buys. It is not about being positive, but randomly criticising players who haven';t even played a game for a club seems a little OTT. the next thing is the top four, all our top four rivals have more money and power, play champions league every season and can attract the top players not to mention give them top wages, we can't Pretty sure the club can, or else Skrtel, Agger, Suarez and Gerrard wouldn't have signed new deals. The point, was to rid the club of experienced players who were no longer offering the quality we intended to pay for. Why should the club pay Downing £70k a week when his contribution to our seasons has barely been worth £7k? Why should Reina pick up more than any keeper in the Premier League when his performances have been matched by keepers on a fifth of that? It is not like we are recklessly just selling players. We are just selling those that either don't fit with the current style of play, or do, and have not performed well enough. and every season away from the top four is a season harder to get near, this for me is the future unless we get owners willing to match the top four pound for pound, can I say that or am I being too negative or baiting. Just my thoughts... You at least have not gone down your customary route of saying it is impossible. But in all honesty, look at what our main competition for 4th spot has done this window. Spurs have been looking to sell good young players like Caulker to fund moves. They are also potentially losing the guy that dictated all of their good moves last season. They have signed a striker, but have been looking to move on all their other ones. Arsenal have signed 1 young kid, and are loaning and selling some of their squad players. As yet, they haven't spent money. We have. We have, albeit arguably, improved players like for like, or at least the potential to have. Aspas is an improvement on not having another striker. Alberto is an improvement on an under-performing and at times reckless Shelvey. It is fine to say points, but where is the justification. If you know that our new signings are not very good then let us know why you think that, don't just state it. Fair play JJ. What i would like to hear from Mick is.. What is they way forward other than new Arab billionaire owners ? to be honest I think we have missed the boat, we should of been in a brand new, state of the art stadium years ago but the people in charge hesitated, costs went up and the chance was gone. I really worry about spending about 300 million pound on an extra 15k seats especialy when the likes of United are looking at 90k. I really admire FSG in trying to run the club right, totaly agree with getting these high earners off the wage bill and cutting our cloth accordingly, the only problem is that they are doing it now and it's the wrong time to implement such measures, you do it when you are in a position of strenghth not when you are 7th best team in the country trying to play catch up. I really don't know what we can do to alter our path to be honest as I only see it getting harder, the costs of the redevelopment will go right onto the match going fans who are already at breaking point, are we really going to fill 60k if we continue to finish mid table, how will we get better players to sign who will turn us into a top four side if we can't afford them or pay top four wages, these are all questions I can't answer. In my heart I am a Liverpool fan and hope we will come through it but in reality it doesn't look likely. These are just my thoughts and I am not delibrately being negative or trying to bait anyone... Ok Mick, i agree with some of your points. I agree on the stadium issue too as i think we should be looking at a new stadium when thinking with my head and not my heart. I just think there is a difference in opinion here. Some of us beileve there is other ways forward that is all. It is nice to see your comments being abit sympathetic towards the club and its position, showing you care for the club, fair play.
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Just reading through some of the exchanges last night and gutted to see Wakka quitting as a moderator.
Like many others this is the only LFC site I use and it is sad to see it gradually falling apart.
Stan is correct when he says that regular users are falling away and it's becoming more and more difficult to have a sensible debate without it being hijacked and destroyed by the usual suspect.
This is a site for fans of Liverpool Football Club and it provides a great service. It is very sad to see one user ruining that for everyone else.
shaggy from day one there were clowns, trolls and nut jobs on this forum but it was a laugh, they were handled and eventually outed. it made the forum a bit of craic tbh. so whats gone wrong? well firstly some users turned it into a policed state, they manipulated the notify button to get at people, not for the good of the forum. there's also other people who cant take a joke, interprete everything as an insult and again, hammer on the notify button. I do like having faz on the forum but faz you have a lot to answer for, especially over the last year. i know that might seem quite frank but its about time we spoke about all this shiit openly and honestly. i think the decline of the club has contributed. we have had nothing to celebrate. the celebrations used to over ride all the nonsense. the team has become mundane, there's little to get excited about, and i just think that the thumb twiddling has resulted in in-fighting and sniping on here. so the club has a lot to answer to there. i wouldnt blame trolls, they are easily ignored and like i said, were always handled. i just think we are struggling as a fan base to have positive things to talk about. lastly, to the man that is wakka, sorry to hear about your retirement sir, the voice of reason and calm (for the most part  ). fair play for all your work over the last few years bro, its been an honour to serve with you.
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Last year it was an estimated redevelopment cost of £150,000,000
A stadium partner would provide £10m - £20m a year, but obviously the non-european football is hurting the negotiations.
Cost per seat (using a low amount of £33) we would gain £0.5m per match, meaning a minimum of £10 million a year.
That means we would have at a minimum £20 million to play with.
Bonds seem to be about 5% pa (assuming 15 years)
£150 million + £7.5m in interest
£157.5m - £17.5m + £7m in interest <-- Team gains min £2.5m
£147m - £17m + £6.5m in interest <-- Team gains min £3m
etc etc
The stadium is a very viable plan, but it really pays for itself and only when its out the way do we really benefit.
If we had a great sponsor (partner) then we could easily benefit from day one. Also if the on the field improves and we get to play more games it is all positive.
If it was a new build then the cost would be double ie £300m+
Using the same figures
£300 million + £15m in interest
£315m - £25m + £14.5m in interest <-- increases other debt £5m
£304.5m - £24.5m + £14m in interest <-- other debt now £9.5m
etc etc
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Cheers brother.
Lets all hold hands and sing YNWA
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This boy is crack'in up"
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faz stop hitting notify and take some responsibility. you're wrecking the place.
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