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I understand. I'm not entirely in agreement that the words shouldn't be used, especially used in metaphor/simile reference, nor do I think the main topic of conversation, i.e. LFC, has anything to do with it but I take your point. It was over-zealous, but I did feel his comments were being just as irrational, and just as blasphemic. If that is even a word!

nope I certainly wont stanley. The thing is stanley no matter what comes and goes its a forum and we are going to read things we agree, disagree, like or dislike on here, all we have to do is respect fellow users, not call people WUM'S or what the moderator called me, there was simply no need for it, if people dont agreee with my posts fine, just ignore them and move on to the next post. The thing that disapoints me is that the forum was going well for weeks with no name calling now its going back to the way it used to be which is very sad.

In all honesty, I'm going to keep my views on this short and sweet.

I understand that there are those that think the plan is bad/mis-placed/there isn't one. There are others that will think its brilliant/investable/untouchable.

Club and Stadia

For me, the plan with the club is simple. Build commercial revenue to bring in more income than can help not only support bigger costs, but allow the club to help fund its own needs better.There was a report on this matter, about how commercial revenues can offer a much higher reward than matchday income. I'll see if I can find that out again.

The plan with generating more income also spreads to the stadium as said previously. There is a clear distinction between FSG and all our previous owners. When it came to the stadium, that have offered no false promises. The intention is to extend the day to day income to a level similar to most. Most top grounds support more than our current 45k, so 60k is a vast improvement. It'll cost much less, and ultimately there is not reason to believe expanding Anfield again is not entirely possible.

The third, and often overlooked part is to do with staffing. There has been a huge turnaround in personnel since Benitez left, much like after Houllier. There is a real intent to ensure there is no-one misplaced or under-qualified in any part of the club. Contribution is key. Much the same as a player, the contribution has to be appropriate. There seems to be real intent to build a unit inside the club in every capacity. From coaching staff to scouting staff.

Transfers and Investment

Much of the funding generated in the club should go towards maintaining and improving both the playing squad and the assets in the club. Much of the commercial revenue, right now, is being focused on improving the team, though there will be an adjustment when the announcement on the stadium.

The scouting staff and ultimately the committee have been the key positive. Man Citys scouting department was severely under-rated and Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows have been instrumental in helping to judge and focus on targets. Andy Sayer and Kevin Hunt were both poached too. Their record is strong and there is a wider spectrum growing in the way we look for targets and where we look too.

We used to be renowned for finding obscure talent, and very often it is over-looked players that have proved to be of best worth for us. I don't agree that the club won't spend big. Only that they'll only do it for the right players.

Team and Strategy

Obviously the slow start last season was completely related to the new tactic being implemented quickly. What Rodgers does well is both motivate, and also focus on coaching. A lot of pre-season is based around two specifics. Fitness, and quick speed of play. Lots of positives from our play this pre-season have been to do with our skill at playing through the defence of our opposition, rather than just "movement" and "pace." We adjusted to play counter-attacking towards the end of last season, and I suspect that was as much an attempt to keep results rolling, as it was to test the water with the existing players as to the ingenuity they could play with.

Obviously a lot of the inherited team proved to be not good enough under both Dalglish and Hodgson, and even of his last year Benitez. Sure, fans can claim is was not the players, but many of them were at fault and haven't been good consistently. It'll take many windows to turn a full squad around, but that shouldn't hinder potential progress right now. Rodgers is more sure of the style and ways in which he wants the team to develop. The rotating midfield trio, and the two free roles behind the main striker being two very obvious moves. If you then take into account the need for the defence and keeper to be comfortable on the ball, much is expected of every player.

The strategy, simplified by "death by football," does hold some truth. Guardiola's comments about winning the ball high up the field, and retaining possession still remain ever present in his teams. We're not a Spanish team. We're an English team playing attractive football, and there is a difference. We aren't in it to look good, much of BRs tactic is about hindering whatever team is put in front of us, and exploiting every potential weakness in every team.

Summary

As I say, judge as you wish. But that is how I see it. I'm not going to accept it without criticism when FSG make mistakes, only that I know they have a lot better clue on how to run a sports club than almost any Liverpool fan right now, and I'm willing to be patient in the near future to give them the freedom to prove it. It is not about optimism or delusion, only that negativity is not going to help them improve the team and club any quicker, and support is exactly what should be expected from us fans right now. It is not about accepting the bad, only that we shouldn't limit success by judging everything before they've had chance to impress upon us.

wakka I agree, its completely stupid and I hope dunk agrees too, koptalk is the only Liverpool forum I'm on and this one user constantly ruins each topic for me. The funniest thing is that when he's gone I miss his nonsense but then he only has to be back 1 hour to remind me why we wanted him out to begin. How one man can still come back to the forum for months maybe years on end and disrupt every topic, have silent digs at people and get good, level headed users banned is a disgrace. This user in question

And fantastic post jj.

That exactly is the point Mick. NO ONE HAS EVER CALLED Stanley a gobsh1te. Why do you think that is? We dont mind a difference of opinion, we mind it when it is expressed in such a crude, baiting manner. There is nothing which is sacred to you. I really will not entertain your bullsh1t posts anymore and just want to add i second Stanley's notion that you get lost.

but I don't agree with most of your points either you have in the past said things far worse than me and I have not complained, you are on about your third or fourth name now yourself because of things you have said in the past so you can't lecture me about things I say now can you. All I have ever done on here is talk about football and my club, yes I may be negative towards it but so what, it's my prerogative the difference is I keep my posts football related unlike alot on here who call me names and accuse me of baiting which is completely false. I will continue to post until Dunk says I overstep the mark and going on some of the things said to me, I should hopefuly be alrite to stay because I don't come anywhere near some of the things said to me. It's a good forum one which I enjoy, it would be a shame if people stated to get banned or suspended, lets just try and all get on and respect everyone's entitlement to opinion wether we agree or disagree with posts, is that fair...

The bottom line is dunk has to moderate this forum for legal reasons and because of the behaviour and some constanty notifying the moderators are getting fed up and walking. I notice also the users are fallling and many regular contributors no longer do so.

So Marko and mick the problem will eventually solve itself there won't be a koptalk for you to go on.

And mick you have stayed technically within the rules but you know what you have done you have cleverly wound these guys up including a long standing moderator. Which is fine but ultimately this site relies on us giving and supporting it not just using it. So think about that because you might have to find another site and this time no change of username will help.

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STANLEY, Personally i don't know what he is on about. I have never been banned as you know, i have changed my nick intentionally in the settings menu. I haven't been banned because i don't bait. I express my view, as you do, i know many disagree with it but i always explain why i see things the way i do. I did so in this thread just yesterday. You also express an opposing view to mine, but you do it in a manner whuch is not offensive so i have no problems with it. As i said, there must be a reason people call certain users all sorts of things. No one has ever called me a d1ck or yourself for that manner. We may disagree but we explain our views and posts rationally.