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I know how much footballers earn , yes a top striker or a Steven gerrard but a keeper should never be on this sort of money and I don't care how good people think he is this sort of contract is scandal .

What on earth is that supposed to mean?! I don't believe in EVERYTHING FSG do, have done before, continue to do etc. My opinion on FSG has been simple. It is been grounded in sense and logic, not disproportionate amount of fantasy. I said before, this forum only works if people voice not only their opinions, but reasons to justify it. It is fine saying AGREE, or DISAGREE, but life isn't about extremes. There are always going to be people sat on the fence, near the fence etc... There are PROs and CONs to every point of debate. The whole idea is to see light of points other people make, so that you know exactly why they think the way they do. One point shouldn't completely alter your opinion, but if its a good point, it should at least be noted in your own.

If you'd like to know, I think my thoughts are the time were not too dissimilar to how I see them now. Adam was a decent punt on a player. Downing, Henderson, Carroll were all vastly over-priced. I think the owners made the right choice moving on Hodgson, albeit, I think I would have let him see out the season (in line with all previous managers at the club). I would then have sought the long-term manager. I think FSG were being short-sighted when they handed Dalglish the job permanently. I thought so at the time too. I didn't believe he was there for anything other than to appease fans, like you, scared of change. They hoped he would close the gap quickly with big investment, but ultimately he proved to be as useless a talent seeker as I am led to believe he was as our manager before, given that he inherited such a strong team, and therefore deserved to leave. After his full season in charge, and his firing, I was bemused at the suggestion of failings by FSG, when they had invested a lot of money, AND time in a manager cherished by most, yet rose-tinted glasses couldn't hide the truth that our football was poor, and our end of season run in the league was the worst I could remember as a fan. The CUP RUNS made fans believe we were on the right track. It was baffling to me then.

When Rodgers was hired, I felt he was a better candidate than Martinez. Like most on here, I felt Martinez's inability to make Wigan play well for a full season, and his inabilities to organise a defensive strategy wouldn't have helped us at the time. Rodgers, on the back of great experience at Chelsea, seemed like a good manager worth investing in. Who could we have hired back then? Benitez. I would have liked to see him come back, but at the time, I didn't think he was the best candidate. AVB was the best candidate in my opinion. I have been proven wrong though. I think Benitez struggles struggles to get the best out of players over long periods of time, and sometimes struggles investing in the right person at the right time. I think AVB, because of his Chelsea experience, has become a little disproportionate when he has organised his squad. I could be proven wrong, but I really dislike the make-up of most of his team. He has been proclaimed as a great this year, when Bale has got them out of so many predicaments. Without Suarez, we'd still be 7th. That is the difference.



So we invested now, before Reina says he wants to go again. The idea that this would pre-empt Reina wanting to leave is fickle. I already said before, we're playing the long game, not the short one. If there isn't good value in centre-halves, would you spend massive when the risk/success is the same as usual but at a much higher price. We're acting with sense in the market. Mignolet should have cost the same as Begovic. We got him for £5m cheaper, and have tied him down until he's 30. Never mind all that justification I do feel I need to add if anybody is ever going to believe why I think the way I do, but I am sure some people will just type one comment saying disagree with...

All I can say is... The TRANSFER WINDOW is open for another 42 DAYS?! And you're moaning about spending a net £7M on a better keeper. Are you kidding me?! Have you forgotten how average Reina has looked for a consistent period of time. He WAS a great player. Why is he on this pedestal. Everyone said before we only need one keeper. Now the club have followed that wish, you're all happy to moan. Its hypocracy.

As for being happy with FSG, I love that we have them as owners. Given that I do follow American Sports, albeit less baseball and more football, I do know of their worth to a club. I am just really despising this hatred for them, when I can't see a reason, right now, to be raising the roof over one "fans favourite" playing leaving. One. And he's not exactly been setting the world alight. He has made a lot of mistakes, and his shot-stopping has been poorer for years now. Our football has improved. Our stadium news is close. Our star man is not leaving without a big fee. And we have signed 4 players already - 3 potential starters in Toure, Aspas and Mignolet, and someone to try and improve on an under-whelming Shelvey. That seems like good going to me.

Agree with you, as I said, given that we do not have a lot of money, this whole saga is costing us around 7-8m (provided Napoli is taking the whole of Reina's wages, if not the the figure is closer to 10m) which could have been used in a better way to reinforce the team. Mignolet might be better than Reina but I don't think, a lot better, as I said the money could have been used to buy a CD or midfielder which would have improved the team in a better way. Don't think that our priority was ever to replace Reina, and this is where we have spent the most.

I think that FSG's prime objective is to reduce expenses and they really thought that Reina would hand a transfer request with the arrival of Mignolet and/or he could be sold for at least 10m. It has backfired as Reina probably told them that he wants to wait for Barca to come calling next year when Valdes' contract is over. Penny wise, pound foolish again.

We don't have the money to buy Fernandinho, Navas, Negredo and Jovetic! We aren't in the Champions League. We don't have moneybags owners willing to throw away cash. We haven't competed for a title in years!

Its fine to say those with the bigger investments can compete easier, but it doesn't mean it works. If 4 clubs spend big, there is still only one club that wins the title. We are not gearing for a title challenge right now. We are making ground on our nearest competitors for 4th, in my eyes, and if THE WINDOW IS STILL OPEN AND WE ARE SAID TO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND, I say lets be optimistic, rather than dour because our owners don't want to throw money down the drain like Dalglish and Comolli, Hodgson and Purslow, and even to an extent Benitez and Houllier have done in the past. Arsenal have signed a player for free. Spurs have signed another midfielder, and a winger (when they desperately need a striker) and we have signed 3 potentially first XI players and a youngster with pedigree from Sevilla/Barca B. AND, we still have 42 days to spend big on 2 players we need.

It is like everyone is playing hopscotch, and trying to decide on every jump what it all means. It is impossible if you don't take into account everything that has happened before, and what we have now. I posted every player we have sold under FSG, and hardly any of them would make our XI now. I posted that we have spent a net of £75m in 2 seasons - and one poster said that was "frugal to abject failure" and you're suggesting that spending like this is bad management and that it is not enough. HOW!?

Maybe their work to dampen expectations have worked and we're just happy sat back in our apathetic armchairs watching us sink.

A quality Keeper is worth every penny Faz,don't underestimate how important we are.

but a £22 million deal sorry this deal and others like it are not justified and for fans to justify there deals is unbelievable.