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Interesting points raised by both of you. It does make me wonder what the publick opinion would be of players like Souness, Ruddock etc if they got scrutinized by the media for every off the ball incident. Would they still be regarded with so much respect?
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I disagree. Players like Gerrard and Suarez are tougher than you give them credit for, and players like Cruyff and Pele did fine with skill over power. Dalglish was hardly the most physically imposing player, but he did quite well in a very physical era of English football. Suarez grew up playing on the streets of Uruguay, and there is a very streetfighter quality to him. He's a strong player, and I think he would get just as many nutmegs and run circles by just as many people. To hurt him, they'd have to catch him.
You raise another point though. Players like Souness were absolutely filthy players (though great), punching people's lights out when they cameras weren't on them, but they didn't face the same level of scrutiny that players do now. They could hide from the officials and the cameras much easier. Imagine the sh*tstorm that would have caused today, when Suarez get's castrated by the media and banned for 8 matches for the bite that, while weird and low did very little physical harm. have to disagree your judging the likes of Gerrard and Suarez toughness in today's game which is totaly different as its a softies game now, you also mention Suarez can nutmeg back then but he would never get away with it back then, he may of got the ball past big Jack Charlton but there is no way he would go past too, another point there is no way Messi would be able to run with the ball like he does in today's game without the likes of Ron Harris, Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith snapping him in half. It's a good debate which has points for and against but for me the prayers of yesteryear would have more chance of adapting and being good in todays game than the players of today going back to proper football times.
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Also whilst I believe Suarez would still be a very good player, I wonder how the patchy pitches would have affected his dribbling ability?
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The other point about today and yesteryear. When I was a kid in the 70's all kids played football every day often all day with dodgy footballs often. So their (note the spelling of their mick) skills levels were high. Kids today spend their lives on computer games and never leave their house half the time.
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I disagree. Players like Gerrard and Suarez are tougher than you give them credit for, and players like Cruyff and Pele did fine with skill over power. Dalglish was hardly the most physically imposing player, but he did quite well in a very physical era of English football. Suarez grew up playing on the streets of Uruguay, and there is a very streetfighter quality to him. He's a strong player, and I think he would get just as many nutmegs and run circles by just as many people. To hurt him, they'd have to catch him.
You raise another point though. Players like Souness were absolutely filthy players (though great), punching people's lights out when they cameras weren't on them, but they didn't face the same level of scrutiny that players do now. They could hide from the officials and the cameras much easier. Imagine the sh*tstorm that would have caused today, when Suarez get's castrated by the media and banned for 8 matches for the bite that, while weird and low did very little physical harm. have to disagree your judging the likes of Gerrard and Suarez toughness in today's game which is totaly different as its a softies game now, you also mention Suarez can nutmeg back then but he would never get away with it back then, he may of got the ball past big Jack Charlton but there is no way he would go past too, another point there is no way Messi would be able to run with the ball like he does in today's game without the likes of Ron Harris, Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith snapping him in half. It's a good debate which has points for and against but for me the prayers of yesteryear would have more chance of adapting and being good than the players of today going back to proper football times. As far as Gerrard is concerned, I do believe that when he started playing, the game was still quite physical,tackles were still allowed, real tackles. From what I have seen in my lifetime as an LFC supporter, Gerrard and Carra never backed down from a tackle. I do agree Luis would have been snapped in half though as would Messi and the likes....it does beg the question though, which is better? Should dangerous tackles still bellowed or should players with incredible technical ability receive the protection they do today?
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The other point about today and yesteryear. When I was a kid in the 70's all kids played football every day often all day with dodgy footballs often. So their (note the spelling of their mick) skills levels were high. Kids today spend their lives on computer games and never leave their house half the time. That's a whole different debate, but it's sad. It is actually ruining the beautiful game and it is no wonder that the poor nations, namely Brazil, Uruguay, African nations such as Ghana, Columbia, and places where children generally can't afford play stations and computers, are now dominating world football. They are producing a different kind of young player with skill levels far above those that English players have. Although I do believe the culture has abig role to play too, places like Italy and Germany are still producing high quality talent.
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I disagree. Players like Gerrard and Suarez are tougher than you give them credit for, and players like Cruyff and Pele did fine with skill over power. Dalglish was hardly the most physically imposing player, but he did quite well in a very physical era of English football. Suarez grew up playing on the streets of Uruguay, and there is a very streetfighter quality to him. He's a strong player, and I think he would get just as many nutmegs and run circles by just as many people. To hurt him, they'd have to catch him.
You raise another point though. Players like Souness were absolutely filthy players (though great), punching people's lights out when they cameras weren't on them, but they didn't face the same level of scrutiny that players do now. They could hide from the officials and the cameras much easier. Imagine the sh*tstorm that would have caused today, when Suarez get's castrated by the media and banned for 8 matches for the bite that, while weird and low did very little physical harm. have to disagree your judging the likes of Gerrard and Suarez toughness in today's game which is totaly different as its a softies game now, you also mention Suarez can nutmeg back then but he would never get away with it back then, he may of got the ball past big Jack Charlton but there is no way he would go past too, another point there is no way Messi would be able to run with the ball like he does in today's game without the likes of Ron Harris, Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith snapping him in half. It's a good debate which has points for and against but for me the prayers of yesteryear would have more chance of adapting and being good in todays game than the players of today going back to proper football times. When Gerrard first started playing, the league was still very physical. I've never seen him or Carra back down from a tackle. I don't think saying that players couldn't run with the ball back then is fair either. Cruyff, Dalglish, Maradona, Pele, and many other players made their names out of skillful dribbling and clever skill rather than brute force, and lack of physicality didn't keep teams like Holland or Brazil from beating the pants off of England. Remember, Dutch total football was taking the world by storm, and Liverpool played pass and move, not punch and tackle. I agree to an extent that the game has lost something now that they are so strict about challenges, but from your comments, it sounds as though would be much happier watching boxing or MMA than football.
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Pele and George best were I suggest as skilful as Suarez or messi but they survived the tackles. There were many very skill players in the 70's who remembers tony currie of Sheffield utd ? Google him iif not.
In my opinion there were far more skillfull players in those days yes today's are fitter but they are more athletes. Look at Henderson for example I bet he is fitter than tony currie was but I know who I would rather see play.
And I have seen both and currie was a genius
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In face tony currie is on utube if you want to check him out
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Come on, you can't blame computer games for the dropping standard of football... it's not as if a player ever had a shocking game cause he spent too much time playing computer games.. oh wait...
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