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I see, well myself i think i have seen him play to be honest about 7 or 8 times is all, seen him score maybe 1 goal so i'm not to judge, but if we judged Coutinho before he came (which i did!!!) we would not have wanted him, i love Coutinho now he's my favourite player but 6 months ago i was more than sceptical as i watch alot of Serie A and he didn't get in to a terrible Inter team these last 3 years.


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This is why I don't responding to you Vish. You take clear words I give, and try and suit them to form some sarcastic argument or discussion.

I know, from a friend who regularly watches Revista, that Aspas has been shown a number of times. That he has received high praise. On an early show, they highlighted how important he might prove to be for Celta (ultimately he did), if he continued his form. After being included as a sub in the squad of the year, I'd might think better than to slag him off because a) he's cheap and b) nobody else (if the press aren't wrong) showed interest which are the only real arguments I have heard from people on here.

Supplemented with that, he is adored by his home fans, and from Spanish journalists, despite his headbutt on a player in the season. He has been a mainstay, set-up the goal that kept them up, and being directly involved in nearly as many goals for Celta as Messi has at Barca. Those snippets, I researched/watched/judged for myself. Balague, whose opinion I respect highly, rates him similarly as such. Believes we have a steal, because he is player he believes can adapt, even if he says it might take time. The bald-headed guy on Sky said so too. Can't remember his name. He's another of their spanish watching contingent. I don't take their word as gospel, but if they say they can adapt, then they could, and I'd believe it (like I think most people should) over people that don't watch it all the time. With experience...

If I had a shortlist of strikers, sure, he wouldn't be on it. I don't scout for a living, so like most fans on here, I know of big name players in top European leagues, and the majority in England/Scotland top divisions. I had seen his name once or twice in passing, that is all. I am sure I could name 25 top strikers we'd all love to have this coming season, Suarez included. We weren't looking for a pure striker. We were looking for a physical, hard-working, driven and creative striker who can play out wide. He fits the model, based on everything I have read and seen.

I spend time researching this stuff while I am home from uni. I sift through stats to check how relevant they really are. There's no point hearing a random stat, if the rest of them could prove he is useless. He could have contributed to 50% of the 2 goals the team scored. Anomalies happen. His stats are positive, apart from his clinicalness, which if I remember correctly was marginally lower than Suarez', whose not exactly renowned for taking his chances. But, at a lower than top table club, maybe there was an over-reliance on him to score every game. If you have a run of games in which you don't score, but still get 3/4 chances a game, your stats can be affected quite easily. He set up and scored nearly a goal a game. As a trainee Architect, my career is built around logic, snap-judgements and seeing the bigger picture, just incase you need me to justify my opinion to you. But I am a maths guy - through and through.

As I said, he seems to fit the bill. If you had the chance to take Michu, you would now... From Revista, they say this guy is a better player at a younger age, just beginning to show his best. Take what you want, but I feel all that half-justifies being a little more than under-whelmed because he's "not the big-name" people wanted. Personally, it's better to look a bit deeper beneath the water, than to try living the easy life trying just to take the fish that come up to the surface.

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jj I like how you take an in depth view of a player before you make a judgment.
I think a lot of people just think because we're buying someone they haven't heard of they must be rubbish.

I think we have to give our scouts (which are new) the benefit of the doubt, I know they must know more than anyone on here.

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Originally Posted By: jjmelling
This is why I don't responding to you Vish. You take clear words I give, and try and suit them to form some sarcastic argument or discussion.

I know, from a friend who regularly watches Revista, that Aspas has been shown a number of times. That he has received high praise. On an early show, they highlighted how important he might prove to be for Celta (ultimately he did), if he continued his form. After being included as a sub in the squad of the year, I'd might think better than to slag him off because a) he's cheap and b) nobody else (if the press aren't wrong) showed interest which are the only real arguments I have heard from people on here.

Supplemented with that, he is adored by his home fans, and from Spanish journalists, despite his headbutt on a player in the season. He has been a mainstay, set-up the goal that kept them up, and being directly involved in nearly as many goals for Celta as Messi has at Barca. Those snippets, I researched/watched/judged for myself. Balague, whose opinion I respect highly, rates him similarly as such. Believes we have a steal, because he is player he believes can adapt, even if he says it might take time. The bald-headed guy on Sky said so too. Can't remember his name. He's another of their spanish watching contingent. I don't take their word as gospel, but if they say they can adapt, then they could, and I'd believe it (like I think most people should) over people that don't watch it all the time. With experience...

If I had a shortlist of strikers, sure, he wouldn't be on it. I don't scout for a living, so like most fans on here, I know of big name players in top European leagues, and the majority in England/Scotland top divisions. I had seen his name once or twice in passing, that is all. I am sure I could name 25 top strikers we'd all love to have this coming season, Suarez included. We weren't looking for a pure striker. We were looking for a physical, hard-working, driven and creative striker who can play out wide. He fits the model, based on everything I have read and seen.

I spend time researching this stuff while I am home from uni. I sift through stats to check how relevant they really are. There's no point hearing a random stat, if the rest of them could prove he is useless. He could have contributed to 50% of the 2 goals the team scored. Anomalies happen. His stats are positive, apart from his clinicalness, which if I remember correctly was marginally lower than Suarez', whose not exactly renowned for taking his chances. But, at a lower than top table club, maybe there was an over-reliance on him to score every game. If you have a run of games in which you don't score, but still get 3/4 chances a game, your stats can be affected quite easily. He set up and scored nearly a goal a game. As a trainee Architect, my career is built around logic, snap-judgements and seeing the bigger picture, just incase you need me to justify my opinion to you. But I am a maths guy - through and through.

As I said, he seems to fit the bill. If you had the chance to take Michu, you would now... From Revista, they say this guy is a better player at a younger age, just beginning to show his best. Take what you want, but I feel all that half-justifies being a little more than under-whelmed because he's "not the big-name" people wanted. Personally, it's better to look a bit deeper beneath the water, than to try living the easy life trying just to take the fish that come up to the surface.


I didn'd try to be sarcastic, in fact I wanted to know more from anybody who has actually watched Aspas regularly as I have also done some research on the internet. What's makes me stay on the fence compared to your total confidence is that for a guy who is already 25, i had not heard about him until this season and sometimes you have players who over perform in a particular season, as he might have done in the last season where he had great stats.

If you take Michu, he had a great 1st half of the season which was not as good in the 2nd half, we'll see how it goes in his 2nd season. According to me we are taking a chance with Aspas and one we can take given his price. I am not going to get over excited with him as I would have if we bought somebody like Silva for instance.

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I don't have total confidence. "HE SEEMS TO FIT THE PROFILE." Where in there did I even suggest it?! I didn't. Stop manipulating my words to suit an argument. All I have said is that he has had praise for a couple of seasons, and that critics, fans and journalists have backed his talent. Come on Vish, please.

Silva is not even the same kind of player. He can't play as a STRIKER and a WINGER. If you did your research, you seem to have missed looking at the type of player BR was targeting in the first place. A creative striker, able to play from out wide. That doesn't describe anybody like Silva.

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Originally Posted By: jjmelling
I don't have total confidence. "HE SEEMS TO FIT THE PROFILE." Where in there did I even suggest it?! I didn't. Stop manipulating my words to suit an argument. All I have said is that he has had praise for a couple of seasons, and that critics, fans and journalists have backed his talent. Come on Vish, please.

Silva is not even the same kind of player. He can't play as a STRIKER and a WINGER. If you did your research, you seem to have missed looking at the type of player BR was targeting in the first place. A creative striker, able to play from out wide. That doesn't describe anybody like Silva.


You seemed to be very excited with his transfer, i might have been wrong. Silva can play in a forward 3 position but not as centre forward which I understand is what Aspas is.

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