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Well after reading all your posts guys, here is my reply.
Let me start by saying that some on here have forgotten that we had an oppurtunity to go for the best players, but KK screwed that up. FSG gave him and Comolli the funds, excessive funds, and they wasted them. So you canot say it is FSG's fault that we are looking for younger cheaper talent. It isn't. If you gave someone a 100 mil to buy you a yacht and they came back with a canoe, you'd be pretty skeptical about giving anyone a 100 mil again wouldn't you?
Secondly, Spice boys, i dont know who your supposed friends in Spain are, but either they dont watch football or they know nothing about it. Everyone, absolutely everyone from Spain that I have spoken to says that Aspas is a fantastic buy for LFC and a very very exciting young player. They even said they were surprised we got him for such a low fee.
Also, whilst we are buying cheaer younger players with lots of talent, we are still willing to spend big bucks on the likes of Mkhitaryan, who whatever some might say, is a proven quality player. So once again, FSG are providing the funds.
Last but not least, whilst Hyppia was captainof a CL team at the time, at the moment when he signed for us, I doubt 1 out of 100 could tell you who he was, what position he played in or which club. So he was generally an unknown.
What we are doing today is signing that type of player, good, quality players, who arent classed as world class yet, purely because they are not playing for your REal's or Man utd's...and our fans seem to have a problem with this. It's beyond all logic in my eyes.
Look at how many expensive signings, and expensive failures here have been in the PL. Surely, its better to take a heaper risk than to sign Hendo and Downing for 40 mil... As I said, when you don't have the means you don't take risks like Real is willing to take with Suarez apparently.
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Not True Vish, most of Barcelona's team is home grown with a few players bought for fairly cheap at a fairly young age...Same applies to Bayern although they did spend a bit more but Badstubber, Dante, Muller, were are fairly cheap transfers at a young age..Schweinsteiger I believe was homegrown although i could be wrong. United has not been spending anything near the likes of chelsea or city . They pretty much buy 1 big name per season and the rest are fairly young players they bring in or homegrown. NOw, Chelsea, City and PSG are all new money clubs with a few trophies to their name, it wont last long.
Basically by listing Barca, Utd and Bayern, you have supported the point of view that talent can be bought for much cheaper and that it is better to buy young cheaper talent that is less known than it is to splash on big name signings...Compare Barca to Real and their spending habits...
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Bayern have Kroos, Sweinsteiger, Muller, Lahm and Alaba who are all home grown at the club
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Yeah, as I say, you can do it either way. You are only paying a value for a player based on how they are perceived by their own club to match another like for like, and to how much value they hold to their own club.
We are pursuing Mkhitaryan, and have purchased Aspas, who are gifted players with release clauses. Just because we paid near £8m for Aspas, doesn't negate the fact he may be worth more than that.
Similarly, just because Shevchenko cost over £30m, doesn't mean he was worth £30m to Chelsea. There is a distinguishable difference between actual value, and a clubs own value.
You're a success based on lots of things. If you take the "how much he cost" out of the equation, the values plotted would be widespread.
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Bayern have Kroos, Sweinsteiger, Muller, Lahm and Alaba who are all home grown at the club Agree and they are also the club that spend the most on players in the German league. You need both as it is at all big clubs like Barca, Real, United etc, even Terry is a home grown at Chelsea. One question to you, who do you think has a better chance of winning someting next year or even in the next 3 years, us or Bayern, Barca, Real etc. With all those young talents that Barca has, why did they have to spend big in bringing Neymar do you think?
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Neymar was signed because he is a great player AND because Barca have a huge Brazilian fanbase, and they'd make a huge amount of that money back over the next 4/5/6 yrs in shirt sales there.
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Not True Vish, most of Barcelona's team is home grown with a few players bought for fairly cheap at a fairly young age...Same applies to Bayern although they did spend a bit more but Badstubber, Dante, Muller, were are fairly cheap transfers at a young age..Schweinsteiger I believe was homegrown although i could be wrong. United has not been spending anything near the likes of chelsea or city . They pretty much buy 1 big name per season and the rest are fairly young players they bring in or homegrown. NOw, Chelsea, City and PSG are all new money clubs with a few trophies to their name, it wont last long.
Basically by listing Barca, Utd and Bayern, you have supported the point of view that talent can be bought for much cheaper and that it is better to buy young cheaper talent that is less known than it is to splash on big name signings...Compare Barca to Real and their spending habits... Barca buys a few very expensive players every season, the latest being Neymar, before that there were Fabregas, Villa, etc and you know it. To be successful, you cannot rely on buying potential good players only, I am sure about that.
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But there is a difference between regularly spending money, and spending big on one player. Alba only cost £10-12m. Spend wise, not big.
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Neymar was signed because he is a great player AND because Barca have a huge Brazilian fanbase, and they'd make a huge amount of that money back over the next 4/5/6 yrs in shirt sales there. Barca buys a couple of proven great players EVERY season, please don't deny this just to prove a point just check Barca transfer fees by player every year, if it was mainly because of their Brazilian fan, don't you think they would be buying Brazilians every year?
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Fair coment Marko.
And I have to say I really no nothing about these foreign players we are signing so I await the new season and pre season with interest.
What you are saying makes a lot of sense rather this than the kenny and comoli farce. The only note of caution I would add is we simply have to get back into the champions league hard though it will be. Let's hope these new signings take us forward.
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