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Its about footballing principals that he is rated higher. Not just results. If they had a decent defence, they are safe. For a club on a tiny budget, he did a phenomenal job.
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Its about footballing principals that he is rated higher. Not just results. If they had a decent defence, they are safe. For a club on a tiny budget, he did a phenomenal job. a phenomenal job, are you serious? he got wigan relegated. he was at the club long enough to build a decent defence. Managers are allowed to coach too and train defenders on how to defend. You said it yourself, its all about perceptions. If he wasn't reasonably young, wasn't Spanish, didn't talk the talk or if he spoke with a northern accent he'd never get a job again
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I think there is a huge difference in perception of teams that do well playing "less attractive" football, compared to those that play the more "attractive". If Rodgers' football was dire, we'd be less likely to accept him for another season.
Success + Attractive Football always over Less-Attractive Football
If he could keep a team up with little invention and poor defenders for as long as he did, imagine if the talent base he had was better immediately. There would be obvious improvement in results. If it was direct football, it may not ever bring better results. If you think that he did so well and over performed, then are you expecting him to do the same at Everton and be challenging for the title next season?
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No I wouldn't say the title. Nor the top 4, because like Rodgers, he'll need time to adjust playing style and put his own identity on the squad. Top half for sure. Probably about 7/8.
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No I wouldn't say the title. Nor the top 4, because like Rodgers, he'll need time to adjust playing style and put his own identity on the squad. Top half for sure. Probably about 7/8. Winning the FA cup after beating the City was an achievement in my books, he cannot be a bad manager for having done that with the squad he had. You can win a couple of games by being lucky but not a tournament.
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Hold on, what's this about Wigan being a small club etc. he had a squad of very decent players...Kone, McManaman, Al habsi, Figueroa, McCarthy, Jordi Gomez...I can name a list of managers who would have done more...Laudrup, Benitez, Pulis etc....
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Pulis - please! Serious suggestions.
Benitez would have done. He has the experience to go with it, not the 39 yr old who hasn't managed a team going for the league.
Laudrup may have done. Or he may fail to impress this season. He's only had one season in the PL, and at an already promoted club.
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Yes, Pulis.....look that squad should not have been relegated. Far weaker squads have performed better. With them it's been one relegation battle after another. What about AVB? Would he have gotten relegated with them? He has less PL experience than Martinez.....
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The problems with Wigan lay less with the first XI, and more with the depth and quality of squad beyond that. Few managers would have been able to continue to keep them up without being frustrated at the level of spending the club can afford. Pulis' football is unattractive. His direct playing style would not have suited the players there currently, and his ability to sign talent is very questionable. Owen, Jones, Jerome are amongst a long line of players signed on big fees and contracts who never performed. He is tactically astute, but not appropriate for Wigans team.
I think the AVB talk is silly. He plays a similar style of expansive attacking football. Plus, he has experience of winning things in Europe. Laudrup does, but at a lower level. That is why I made the comment. He doesn't look like he is staying at Swansea. I can say that I don't think the level of success he achieved this season will be matched. His ambitions and the clubs size don't mix well. Like Martinez at Wigan...
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No I wouldn't say the title. Nor the top 4, because like Rodgers, he'll need time to adjust playing style and put his own identity on the squad. Top half for sure. Probably about 7/8. I see a flaw in your argument. IF martinez is as good as you say, and he over performed at wigan, then why are you saying he won't overperform at everton and will do just about what is expected of him?
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