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some very nieve statements on here. Everyones wants to do what City and Chelsea have done in recent years, spend 100smillions on a squad and then have to loan out half of them. Both are without managers again and unrest and division within both clubs is rife. The players are without soul and only come for the money. Not forgetting the FFP impact making this way of working impossible anyway.
Thats not LFC never has been, we are proud of a club and our attachment is not about buying success but building it.The happiest clubs are those where players,club and fans are as one - look at Dortmund, they are all in it together. For those who want to buy 30mill pound mecenaries should support other clubs and leave LFC to those who value and cherish it's virtues.
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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration. You're assuming we're buying to sell - I haven't seen one bit of proof to back this up though. Read between the lines then. You won't SEE any proof 'yet' because no FSG signings have been here long enough to have developed into mature, quality players that have increased in value to the extent that they decide to cash in. Suarez. 1) Suarez won't have reached his prime/peak value yet 2) He comes with a lot of baggage and isn't 'normal' 3) The transfer window isn't open yet so you have proved nothing.......
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I'm reading and hearing that there will be quite a few players leaving in the upcoming window to generate a rather hefty kitty, will all funds being reinvested in the team plus an additional 20-25 million from FSG. Now thinking of possible outs:
Downing
Shelvey
Reina
Skrtel
Carroll
Spearing
Coates
I think these players could bring in about 55 million...
Looking at the fact that we have no European football I am wondering how big a squad we need...thts 7 possible outs...55 million plus 25 from FSG would put us at 80 million..if we spend thos 80 million on 2-3 top players at 20 mil each and get another 3 for 7 mil each o think we could find ourselves with an extremely strong squad next season. Maybe....if Kenny takes up a job somewhere else. In the real world, we'd be lucky to get £40m for that lot.
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The link with Kyriakos Papadopoulos is either a perfect example of the strategy, or a perfect example of logical thinking by the press.
Seeking value where others overlook. Coutinho was highly rated, was a star on loan, but didn't feature in their current plans.
Likewise Papadopoulos had 16 million price tag, but a knee operation has put a dent in his reputation. Could be a calculated gamble, but his bedding in from the German league could make him a hit in the EPL, if he recovers.
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I'm reading and hearing that there will be quite a few players leaving in the upcoming window to generate a rather hefty kitty, will all funds being reinvested in the team plus an additional 20-25 million from FSG. Now thinking of possible outs:
Downing
Shelvey
Reina
Skrtel
Carroll
Spearing
Coates
I think these players could bring in about 55 million...
Looking at the fact that we have no European football I am wondering how big a squad we need...thts 7 possible outs...55 million plus 25 from FSG would put us at 80 million..if we spend thos 80 million on 2-3 top players at 20 mil each and get another 3 for 7 mil each o think we could find ourselves with an extremely strong squad next season. Maybe....if Kenny takes up a job somewhere else. In the real world, we'd be lucky to get £40m for that lot. I think your estimation is too low. In my view, realistically here's what we can get: Reina 10 Downing 8-12 Carroll 15 That's 30-35 from those 3 alone. Skrtel won't go for less than 10 and he is worth that much although I am not sure he will be moved on at all. Add to that Coates who is still highly rated and I don't think he'll go for less than 6-7, Spearing for 2-3, Shelvey for 3-5 and it adds up to around te 50 mark. I think the quality of some of these players is being belittled and they are being undervalued by the supporters but the club won't let them go for too cheap...
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I think with Shelvey and Coates, a season long loan is best. I just hope we can get them in the premierleague as the experience gained is a value that is added to their worth.
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1) Spearing did amazingly well, but in terms of value he has gained little. Had he done well in the EPL he would be worth double.
2)The money paid by Chelsea for Lukaku, seemed mental at the time, but now he has gone some way in justifying the transfer.
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I'm reading and hearing that there will be quite a few players leaving in the upcoming window to generate a rather hefty kitty, will all funds being reinvested in the team plus an additional 20-25 million from FSG. Now thinking of possible outs:
Downing
Shelvey
Reina
Skrtel
Carroll
Spearing
Coates
I think these players could bring in about 55 million...
Looking at the fact that we have no European football I am wondering how big a squad we need...thts 7 possible outs...55 million plus 25 from FSG would put us at 80 million..if we spend thos 80 million on 2-3 top players at 20 mil each and get another 3 for 7 mil each o think we could find ourselves with an extremely strong squad next season. Maybe....if Kenny takes up a job somewhere else. In the real world, we'd be lucky to get £40m for that lot. I think your estimation is too low. In my view, realistically here's what we can get: Reina 10 Downing 8-12 Carroll 15 That's 30-35 from those 3 alone. Skrtel won't go for less than 10 and he is worth that much although I am not sure he will be moved on at all. Add to that Coates who is still highly rated and I don't think he'll go for less than 6-7, Spearing for 2-3, Shelvey for 3-5 and it adds up to around te 50 mark. I think the quality of some of these players is being belittled and they are being undervalued by the supporters but the club won't let them go for too cheap... I'd say this is more realistic: Downing - £5m Shelvey - £3m Reina - £10m Skrtel - £5m Carroll - £12m Spearing - £2m Coates - £3m With FFP coming into play, transfer fees will inevitably decrease. Downing possibly deserves a higher value as he's got a bit better but he doesn't have age on his side. If anything, I have possibly over-valued spearing, shelvey and coates.
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I disagree, I don't think there is a chance in hell of Skrtel leaving for 5 million, an experienced PL player, experienced international player...no chance he goes for 5 million.
Same with Coates, a very promising youngsters, very highly rated...would be a beast in Serie A. J just don't think the PL suits him, too fast a league for him, But i don't think he would go for less than 5. Guess we'll have to wait and see...also I would nit be surprised if we got more than 10 for Reina...
Also as bad as Downings start to his LFC career was, selling him for 5 would be ludicrous as we would struggle to replace him for that money. He has come good this season under BR and has quite a few assists if I'm not mistaken. No ways he is leaving for 5. I think you have grossly undervalued Downing and Skrtel...by about 10 million altogether which is where the difference in our overall estimations comes in.
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I think your estimates are realistic even without the influence of FFP. Except (possibly) Reina, the rest on that list will be the targets of second or third-tier clubs. Downing in particular - never heard anyone expressing an interest in him, he's not far off 30, atrocious goalscoring record and I will be amazed if we get £5 million.
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