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Originally Posted By: Maxi88


That transfer figure is incorrect to be technical but the fact remains that Kenny spent 115 mil on players


No his net spend was just over 30m, BR's net spend is already around 41m.

Stop pretending that Kenny blew that amount of money when it's not true. He was never given 115 million to spend without selling any players.

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Originally Posted By: Maxi88


by the way Rafa had a gross spend of 246mil. over the 6 years that amounts to 41mil.

Kenny in 1.5 seasons spent 115. I'm sure you're smart enough to work out his average seasonal spend


Rafa signed about 5 squads worth of players, only 1 being good enough. He blew millions and then claimed he had nothing to work with.

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Originally Posted By: Maxi88


So we're completely glossing over the entire disterous league campaign last year are we?

Of his transfers Suarez and Bellamy were successful under Kenny. Adam was decent at the start but was generally poor as was Enrique. Downing and Henderson were very poor last season. Andy Carroll being signed for 35mil can hardly ever be described as an "average" signing.

How you have come to the conclusion also that Adam has outperformed our midfielders this year is frankly baffling??

Yes BR had our worst start? He will finish on a higher points tally and further up the table than Kenny but he is irrelevant to this thread.


It wasn't entirely disastrous though was it. If 8th is disastrous then surely this season's league campaign is just as bad, bare in mind we have only managed to beat 1 top side all season.

You can't say a signing is poor, if they then go on to play even better the following season.

C.Adam has outperformed most of our midfield this season. There's nothing baffling in that statement.

How do you know we will finish higher up the table and on more points this season, we could go on to lose our remaining games and finish 9th. How is BR irrelevant to this thread...oh I see because it's a slate Kenny thread and blame him for everything that has gone wrong over the last 2 decades, whilst we pretend we are in a much better place now with a world class manager who is going to win everything in the game.


What are you basing Charlie Adam outperforming our midfielders on though?

I don't blame Kenny for everything over the last 2 decades and I was only born when he previously managed us so I don't comment on things I haven't seen but I do blame him for wasting our biggest transfer budget in our history. I believe that he had shortcomings as a manager and they were shown up in his league performances.

BR is irrelevant to this thread because his performance as a manager in no way shows that Kenny was or wasn't the right man for the job. Kenny's performance as manager showed that.

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Originally Posted By: Spice Boys
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That transfer figure is incorrect to be technical but the fact remains that Kenny spent 115 mil on players


No his net spend was just over 30m, BR's net spend is already around 41m.

Stop pretending that Kenny blew that amount of money when it's not true. He was never given 115 million to spend without selling any players.


His net spend was just shy of 40 mil if you want to check your figures again.

Can I ask you one very simple question. Did Kenny spend 115 million on players? Regardless of if he had to sell players, he still spent that money.

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we still have the chance. we should say to BR thanks for the group mentality and all that but we are going back to kenny.

kenny gets somebody in to work on skrtel again , carra stays, carrol comes back and we get diame for the hammers. be like this season never happened.


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Originally Posted By: Spice Boys
Originally Posted By: Maxi88


by the way Rafa had a gross spend of 246mil. over the 6 years that amounts to 41mil.

Kenny in 1.5 seasons spent 115. I'm sure you're smart enough to work out his average seasonal spend


Rafa signed about 5 squads worth of players, only 1 being good enough. He blew millions and then claimed he had nothing to work with.


Rafas successful signings -
Luis Garcia - 6
Alsonso - 10.5
Crouch - 7
Reina - 6
Agger - 5.8
Pennant(I thought he was good) - 6.7
Kuyt - 9
Arbeloa - 2.6
Mascherano - 18
Lucas - 6
Torres - 26.5
Benayoun - 5
Skrtel (50/50) - 6.5
Johnson - 17

Amounts to 132 mil. Outside of his final 2 seasons, his transfers were actually very good. His final 2 seasons also happened to be his poorest ones and led to his rightful dismissal

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I think it's time we gave KK a bit of break. It's easy to forget we were staring down the barrel when he took over from Roy. In some ways he was a bit too successful in that because it set expectations sky high for last season and it all started pretty well. But for the Evra incident it might have been a different story. At the least he should have been given another season. He probably left because FSG wanted a sell off to help balance to books. Unfortunately rarely in football do the two go hand in hand.

We should look forward and get behind the manager. If there's no tangible improvement next season then sure look elsewhere but let's not kid ourselves into believing there are any quick fixes at this club.

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Originally Posted By: Spice Boys
Originally Posted By: Maxi88


So we're completely glossing over the entire disterous league campaign last year are we?

Of his transfers Suarez and Bellamy were successful under Kenny. Adam was decent at the start but was generally poor as was Enrique. Downing and Henderson were very poor last season. Andy Carroll being signed for 35mil can hardly ever be described as an "average" signing.

How you have come to the conclusion also that Adam has outperformed our midfielders this year is frankly baffling??

Yes BR had our worst start? He will finish on a higher points tally and further up the table than Kenny but he is irrelevant to this thread.


It wasn't entirely disastrous though was it. If 8th is disastrous then surely this season's league campaign is just as bad, bare in mind we have only managed to beat 1 top side all season.

You can't say a signing is poor, if they then go on to play even better the following season.

C.Adam has outperformed most of our midfield this season. There's nothing baffling in that statement.

How do you know we will finish higher up the table and on more points this season, we could go on to lose our remaining games and finish 9th. How is BR irrelevant to this thread...oh I see because it's a slate Kenny thread and blame him for everything that has gone wrong over the last 2 decades, whilst we pretend we are in a much better place now with a world class manager who is going to win everything in the game.



Are you for real? Charlie Adam has out performed our midfield this year. Have you seen where stoke are in the table? Your devotion to Dalglish is admirable but frankly delusional. You called Coates a good signing? You couldn't make it up

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Originally Posted By: Maxi88


His net spend was just shy of 40 mil if you want to check your figures again.

Can I ask you one very simple question. Did Kenny spend 115 million on players? Regardless of if he had to sell players, he still spent that money.


Sorry, you're right, I was looking at the whole season and not transfers starting in January. The point still stands that BR has spend more than Kenny in less time with less rewards.

The point is that money wasn't freely available. You can't claim an overall spend without looking at outgoings.

Most of Kenny's spends were due to selling. If those players weren't sold, the money wouldn't be there to spend.

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Don't forget, that the £18m for Mascherano also included his wages for 4 years!

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