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Not sure about annoyed, but disappointed? Yes, but not necessarily with the ownership.
Look at Everton's position. They don't have the funds we have for transfers and wages, but they've competed well in the league. Our problem over the last few seasons has not been owners or funds. it's poor management of the club by those at Anfield. Roy, Kenny, Comolli, Ayre, Purslow. all of them have made huge mistakes.
Prior to that we had Rafa. He blew some of our funds too. paying wages and transfers to/for the likes of Voronin, Degen, Dossenv. But at least he took us to no 1 status is Europe, 2 CL finals, regular top 4, ruffled the feathers of Fergie, Mourinho.
Remember too, Rafa was judged against the target of challenging for the title. Those that followed him have been judged against a much lower ask and yet still failed.
So my point is, that it's not necessarily the owners that are the problem. (proven by the £100m waste). The problem is the quality of our management staff. If we get that right there's no reason why we shouldn't be at least challenging for top 4 with the current budget. You have made your argument well. But I think Everton are thre exception to the rule look at stoke and Aston villa we could end up that way if we are not careful. We have a big fan base but the club is slowly eroding that
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No, Stoke and Villa spend absolutely fook all, we wont end up that way unless administration beckons.
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Not sure about annoyed, but disappointed? Yes, but not necessarily with the ownership.
Look at Everton's position. They don't have the funds we have for transfers and wages, but they've competed well in the league. Our problem over the last few seasons has not been owners or funds. it's poor management of the club by those at Anfield. Roy, Kenny, Comolli, Ayre, Purslow. all of them have made huge mistakes.
Prior to that we had Rafa. He blew some of our funds too. paying wages and transfers to/for the likes of Voronin, Degen, Dossenv. But at least he took us to no 1 status is Europe, 2 CL finals, regular top 4, ruffled the feathers of Fergie, Mourinho.
Remember too, Rafa was judged against the target of challenging for the title. Those that followed him have been judged against a much lower ask and yet still failed.
So my point is, that it's not necessarily the owners that are the problem. (proven by the £100m waste). The problem is the quality of our management staff. If we get that right there's no reason why we shouldn't be at least challenging for top 4 with the current budget. To start with, the net spend has only been 20m per season (60m in total) since FSG arrived and part of that money has been generated by the fans directly or indirectly, they have injected only 40m of their own money but as a shareholders loan, so for me, all that talk about them putting 100m is at most a myth. They have bought LFC for 300m and their investment is still here, they own LFC and can recoup that anytime they wish by selling. Yes money has been wasted and most of it by their mistakes through their appointments. I agree with your last sentence though, with a good manager, we should be challenging for top4, but who is supposed to put up that management structure in place if not FSG?
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FSG are taking the long term approach to rebuild the club which is what was needed 20 years ago. It's going to take longer than 2 years to fix the problems they inherited but I do think they will fix the problems.
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FSG are taking the long term approach to rebuild the club which is what was needed 20 years ago. It's going to take longer than 2 years to fix the problems they inherited but I do think they will fix the problems. Well surely building a new ground and establishing a fan base is what they need to do.? They are driving fans away and the new ground is uncertain both design and timescale. Sponsorship is fine but its a one off and won't be available in the future unless we create the product. I think we are worse than when they took over.
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Hopefully we'll get some news on the stadium refurb in the summer. If they do get anfield redeveloped that has to be a huge step in the right direction.
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Nobody claimed FSG spent £100m of their own cash. But they approved that spending almost in one go - and our management blew it.
I've said before on here that they haven't quite known what they're doing from the outset. I don't think anyone is suggesting they're brilliant - far,far from it. But in terms of xfer funds, seeing that cash wasted the way it was would make any prudent investor think twice before releasing any funds again, let alone an equivalent amount. And BR didn't help by spending £25m on Allen & Borini with little or no impact.
I'm quite happy with a net spend of £20m/year until a manager earns the right to spend more. I repeat, Moyes has done well on probably less than that and so should we. He may be the exception, but that's what we're looking for - a manager who stands out above the rest. So until we find such a person. any spare cash over and above £20m/tear that is probably better saved for the stadium.
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Nobody claimed FSG spent £100m of their own cash. But they approved that spending almost in one go - and our management blew it.
I've said before on here that they haven't quite known what they're doing from the outset. I don't think anyone is suggesting they're brilliant - far,far from it. But in terms of xfer funds, seeing that cash wasted the way it was would make any prudent investor think twice before releasing any funds again, let alone an equivalent amount. And BR didn't help by spending £25m on Allen & Borini with little or no impact.
I'm quite happy with a net spend of £20m/year until a manager earns the right to spend more. I repeat, Moyes has done well on probably less than that and so should we. He may be the exception, but that's what we're looking for - a manager who stands out above the rest. So until we find such a person. any spare cash over and above £20m/tear that is probably better saved for the stadium.
Fantastic post Mighty
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Nobody claimed FSG spent £100m of their own cash. But they approved that spending almost in one go - and our management blew it.
I've said before on here that they haven't quite known what they're doing from the outset. I don't think anyone is suggesting they're brilliant - far,far from it. But in terms of xfer funds, seeing that cash wasted the way it was would make any prudent investor think twice before releasing any funds again, let alone an equivalent amount. And BR didn't help by spending £25m on Allen & Borini with little or no impact.
I'm quite happy with a net spend of £20m/year until a manager earns the right to spend more. I repeat, Moyes has done well on probably less than that and so should we. He may be the exception, but that's what we're looking for - a manager who stands out above the rest. So until we find such a person. any spare cash over and above £20m/tear that is probably better saved for the stadium.
Well reasoned post mighty but very pragmatic. Pragmatic in the sense recognition of our now reduced status. The expectatios have been well and truly managed. But not the ticket prices which are priced as if we were Barcelona.
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Yes Stanley, I agree our status is reduced but I'd say it's not because our expectations are lowered. FSG, Roy and BR have all tried to lower our expectations... but they've just been providing cover for their ineptititude. I haven't fallen for that.
Our status has been reduced by the fact the people in charge have made some very bad decisions. So that's why we've fallen down a few pegs. I'd therefore say it's pragmatism based on reality - we're noot quite good enough and we're not as rich as at least 3 of the top 4. Hence, we're going to need to be smart to get ourselves competing at the top again - something we haven't yet seen from owners or managers.
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