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Good post red and I agree with it. But what I would add is we are told by the FSG fans on here that billions are going to come into the club by marketing to the Far East. Well all our rivals are doing the same and if we are having baby steps that's not much of a marketing tool. I cannott see how Liverpool can break out of this decline with major external investment. The story of growing us slowly is a [oops] by FSG we have no particular advantage other than our history. But many clubs have history and are in the lower divisions. Also making liverpool the most expensive club to follow is not going to help us retain and attract followers. Liverpool FC are on the edge and if we fail next two years we could fall much further and there won't be any way back.

I don't think slow build works in the PL, given the movement of the better players towards the top teams, only loyalty will save us from losing Suarez in the summer, as it did last summer with Agger, and after Torres who would rely on the loyalty of professional footballers?
Young promising potentials is a risky way to rebuild and almost always doomed to failure, unless you consider fighting to stay in the PL as success, because that's what it leads to as is seen by all those teams that inhabit that domain season in and season out.
If you're in a competitive market like the Pl and you want to be at the top you must compete across all fronts; Stadia, Marketing, Sponsorship and Transfer market. We aren't doing that and wishful thinking and self deception won't get us into the CL, a miracle might, but miracles hardly ever happen, unfortunately.

I don't think slow build works in the PL, given the movement of the better players towards the top teams, only loyalty will save us from losing Suarez in the summer, as it did last summer with Agger, and after Torres who would rely on the loyalty of professional footballers?
Young promising potentials is a risky way to rebuild and almost always doomed to failure, unless you consider fighting to stay in the PL as success, because that's what it leads to as is seen by all those teams that inhabit that domain season in and season out.
If you're in a competitive market like the Pl and you want to be at the top you must compete across all fronts; Stadia, Marketing, Sponsorship and Transfer market. We aren't doing that and wishful thinking and self deception won't get us into the CL, a miracle might, but miracles hardly ever happen, unfortunately.

Catching Everton how low can we sink ?

Why not? Spurs are doing well. Swansea have become one of the league's most promising sides, playing great football on a budget. Newcastle, even though they got relegated a few seasons ago, finished 5th last year, and they would have done much better this season had they not gotten very unlucky with massive injuries to their defense and midfield. Everton are solid, and even had a shot at 4th this season. Hell, we had a decent shot at it, even though we blew it with the inexperience of our squad and perhaps our manager. Spending like crazy isn't doing it for chelsea anymore. A few years ago, the big 4 was pretty much seiat in stone with us, arsenal, chelsea, and manu, and everyone thought it would stay that way, but they didn't. Spurs and city thoroughly shook everything up. Even with the massive cashflow city have used, their buildup was pretty gradual too. It took them a few seasons. We are still one of the biggest brands in Europe, and one of the most watched teams in Asia and in the States. Our situation isn't ideal, but I don't think it's hopeless.

The amount Spurs spends yearly isn't less than what we spend. And we already have been rebuilding for 20 years. Spurs didn't really get any sort of revival going until 2005. I would say they have made it though. In the past 3 years they've finished 4th, 5th, and 4th again. They're European regulars, and even had a decent CL run recently. Even after losing Modric this year, they look an even better team than before. Swansea similarly are having an even better season than last year, despite losing some key players and the manager. Spurs have a solid team with some depth in midfield, and a world class talent in Bale. They're a bit short in the striking department, with Defoe's injury concerns ad Adebayor's torrid season, but their wingers and midfielders (namely bale) make up for it. I think if they qualify for CL, Bale will stay at least one more season to see if they can push on.

That said, they aren't THAT far ahead of us. Like us, they're a young squad, full of talent, but at times inconsistant (though less so than us). All their squad really has on us, in my opinion, apart from a little more experience and maturity, is a bit more steel in the midfield, and more defensive stability. If we had a parker or a Dembele and a Caulker or Dawson equivalent in our squad to shore things up, I don't think they would have much on us at all. Suarez is every bit as good as Bale, and Sturridge Countinho, Suarez, and Gerrard in our attack is very near Bale, Lennon, Dempsy, Sigurdson, and Defoe in theirs. They are ahead of us, yes. But I don't think that gap is insurmountable.

The amount Spurs spends yearly isn't less than what we spend. And we already have been rebuilding for 20 years. Spurs didn't really get any sort of revival going until 2005. I would say they have made it though. In the past 3 years they've finished 4th, 5th, and 4th again. They're European regulars, and even had a decent CL run recently. Even after losing Modric this year, they look an even better team than before. Swansea similarly are having an even better season than last year, despite losing some key players and the manager. Spurs have a solid team with some depth in midfield, and a world class talent in Bale. They're a bit short in the striking department, with Defoe's injury concerns ad Adebayor's torrid season, but their wingers and midfielders (namely bale) make up for it. I think if they qualify for CL, Bale will stay at least one more season to see if they can push on.

That said, they aren't THAT far ahead of us. Like us, they're a young squad, full of talent, but at times inconsistant (though less so than us). All their squad really has on us, in my opinion, apart from a little more experience and maturity, is a bit more steel in the midfield, and more defensive stability. If we had a parker or a Dembele and a Caulker or Dawson equivalent in our squad to shore things up, I don't think they would have much on us at all. Suarez is every bit as good as Bale, and Sturridge Countinho, Suarez, and Gerrard in our attack is very near Bale, Lennon, Dempsy, Sigurdson, and Defoe in theirs. They are ahead of us, yes. But I don't think that gap is insurmountable.