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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Got to go now I'll check back later to what other excuses you have for taking it up the bum from LFC because that's what there doing ! They could of raised they advertising rate by a minuscule amount and this could of been avoided but chose to upset fans instead nice LFC


FSG are not abusing the fans though. It's their business, the club is their property. They are simply setting prices which they see as optimal in the supply and demand chain. I dont know some view it as abuse when it's simple business.

It's like saying: "Let's all chant against Coca Cola because the corner shop increased it's prices...." makes no sense to me whatsoever.....


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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Got to go now I'll check back later to what other excuses you have for taking it up the bum from LFC because that's what there doing ! They could of raised they advertising rate by a minuscule amount and this could of been avoided but chose to upset fans instead nice LFC


So according to you they are upsetting the fans just for pleasure then because they chose to do it despite having the possibility of increasing advertising rate? Very interesting.

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Originally Posted By: Marko2709
Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Got to go now I'll check back later to what other excuses you have for taking it up the bum from LFC because that's what there doing ! They could of raised they advertising rate by a minuscule amount and this could of been avoided but chose to upset fans instead nice LFC


FSG are not abusing the fans though. It's their business, the club is their property. They are simply setting prices which they see as optimal in the supply and demand chain. I dont know some view it as abuse when it's simple business.

It's like saying: "Let's all chant against Coca Cola because the corner shop increased it's prices...." makes no sense to me whatsoever.....


Good god. If this is what FSG think (and I suspect it is) the club is finished medium to long term. Football is not the same as going to the movies much as some thing it is.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Got to go now I'll check back later to what other excuses you have for taking it up the bum from LFC because that's what there doing ! They could of raised they advertising rate by a minuscule amount and this could of been avoided but chose to upset fans instead nice LFC


FSG are not abusing the fans though. It's their business, the club is their property. They are simply setting prices which they see as optimal in the supply and demand chain. I dont know some view it as abuse when it's simple business.

It's like saying: "Let's all chant against Coca Cola because the corner shop increased it's prices...." makes no sense to me whatsoever.....


Good god. If this is what FSG think (and I suspect it is) the club is finished medium to long term. Football is not the same as going to the movies much as some thing it is.


Stan, just as a matter of interest because I want to understand the psycology of local fans going to games regularly, would you have the same feeling of anger if you were sure that all the additional revenue (assuming there are wealthier fans who would buy at higher prices) would be invested in the club and that would allow LFC to compete for honours next season and get at least in the champions league?

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Got to go now I'll check back later to what other excuses you have for taking it up the bum from LFC because that's what there doing ! They could of raised they advertising rate by a minuscule amount and this could of been avoided but chose to upset fans instead nice LFC


FSG are not abusing the fans though. It's their business, the club is their property. They are simply setting prices which they see as optimal in the supply and demand chain. I dont know some view it as abuse when it's simple business.

It's like saying: "Let's all chant against Coca Cola because the corner shop increased it's prices...." makes no sense to me whatsoever.....


Good god. If this is what FSG think (and I suspect it is) the club is finished medium to long term. Football is not the same as going to the movies much as some thing it is.


if the price rise causes people to stop going and they aren't replaced at that cost then the price will fall until the attendance picks back up. Coolflames was constantly going on about how Everton are cornering the local market by giving cheap tickets etc, if Liverpool had to do this then they too would start giving out cheaper tickets but until that happens the price will more than likely keep on rising. It is easier for us without season tickets to look at it objectively and coldly but that is the fact that FSG don't look at individuals but as the attendance as a whole and that people can be replaced

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But Stan, any succesful business has to think that way, so why not LFC? I know that football to us is more than just business, there are plenty of emotions involved for us fans, but for the club to be a business success it has to think about maximizing profits. Once we are self sufficient and have maximized our incom, we can they we are a success on the financial and business side and it's no secret that success breeds more success.

You have to sort the problem out at the core, once the finances are in order you can then move to create more success on the pitch as well. To me it is the only logical long term approach.

I don't quite understand why you see this as the beggining of the end of LFC. Perhaps my views are too one sided as well and I am enjoying having this conversation with you because I appreciate your input and seeing how oter fans view the situation. Please don't misunderstand my posts as me having a go or not recognizing that it is a difficult time for you. I simply do feel that this is gooing to have a bigger positive effect overall than a negative one.


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Vish no problem.

If rich fans came in paid crazy prices and it meant we would be in the champions league I would watch it on TV with a casual interest. I would still follow Liverpool.

It may seem insane to you but rather than that situation I would prefer Liverpool played in the championship and people could go to the games. To me this is what football is all about yes you want the team to do as well as possible but not at all costs.

Let me try to explain let’s say in Mauritius your interest is scuba diving you do it for decades with friends and it becomes a part of your life and social life you have many happy memories scuba diving seeing sharks and so on. Then an organisation buys up the dive boats and the beaches and charges you money to improve the diving and then more money and more money until you can no longer afford it. But they say this is wonderful scuba diving look at the facilities we have provided. But you can’t you break up the long standing social scene you have had drinks with friends afterwards. Now you only watch scuba diving on DVD’s

How would you feel?

I think you would find you had other interests and were in 5 years time they organisation said sorry we have reduced the prices you would say sorry but I play golf now. I still like scuba diving I will always love it but that part of my life is now gone and I watch scuba diving on the TV only.


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And that is whats going to happen with liverpool and I think its hard (with all due respect) for overseas based fans to see that concept.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish no problem.

If rich fans came in paid crazy prices and it meant we would be in the champions league I would watch it on TV with a casual interest. I would still follow Liverpool.

It may seem insane to you but rather than that situation I would prefer Liverpool played in the championship and people could go to the games. To me this is what football is all about yes you want the team to do as well as possible but not at all costs.

Let me try to explain let’s say in Mauritius your interest is scuba diving you do it for decades with friends and it becomes a part of your life and social life you have many happy memories scuba diving seeing sharks and so on. Then an organisation buys up the dive boats and the beaches and charges you money to improve the diving and then more money and more money until you can no longer afford it. But they say this is wonderful scuba diving look at the facilities we have provided. But you can’t you break up the long standing social scene you have had drinks with friends afterwards. Now you only watch scuba diving on DVD’s

How would you feel?

I think you would find you had other interests and were in 5 years time they organisation said sorry we have reduced the prices you would say sorry but I play golf now. I still like scuba diving I will always love it but that part of my life is now gone and I watch scuba diving on the TV only.


I will not be happy because I can't afford it as a lot of other thing I cannot do because I can't afford.

It really seems to me that our interests with regards to LFC are completely different though. For me, the most important thing about LFC is success on the pitch, this is why I became a fan in the first place some 35 years ago, I was not watching a lot more than one live game on TV in those days, when we were in the FA cup final rounds. For you it's more of hobby to be enjoyed with your freinds every next weekend. No offense, but, you look to be more of a consumer of a particular product where you are looking for your perceived value for money, success would be a bonus. Coolflames had a similar stand as probably he is a match going local too.

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Yes vish for me football is not just about success in fact success is a small part of it and remember I have been to four european finals and seen more title wins than most on this site. And if at that time you had said to me what dop you prefer success or following your team I would ALWAYS say following you team.

What else is football about ?


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