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The number of trophies they won with their manager is a solid FACT.

Well you can argue the point as United pick up their 20th League Title.

Mighty who would you say was a greater manager than ferguson ?

Fergie has won about 40 major competitions in the game including european success with aberdeen! And a lot of his Utd successes have come when they haven't had anywhere near as good a squad as some of their rivals. I hate to admit that he's the best manager that football has ever seen, but it's hard to deny without sounding like a bitter d1ck.

Rodgers needs time. He's got us playing attractive footy and is young. It's clear that he'll learn from his mistakes and will learn how to make better decisions, and if e tune things better.

Fergie needed time, being just as Naive when he started. Younger managers need time.

Fergies had broken the stranglehold of Celtic and rangers with lowly Aberdeen and won a European final. And I disagree fergie was naive when he started Liverpool were far ahead of them back then but you coud see fergie had something. I feared him even though we were light years ahead.

But we can't just go around giving jobs to young managers 'in case they come good' in 10 years time. The onus should be on him to prove himself before earning a top job. We're in no position to sit back and watch all these medicore clubs surpass us just so that BR can practice being a manager.

Not arguing with number of trophies etc., but a title of 'the greatest' takes into account other factors such as personality, character, what someone might have done for the game as a whole and not just themselves or thier club. So it will always be subjective and arguable.

Fergie has been manager of the richest club in England adn perhaps the world for his entire stint at Manchester United. He failed to win the league in his first 6 years i believe, but has had huge success after the premier league and all the SKY money started to be chanelled to the top clubs. Just coincidence?

Despite all the resources, the stability,the soft power, pretty much first choice of the top players only 2 Champions League titles in 25 years? Both extremely fortunate too. In cricketing terms he might be considered a flat-track bully.

There are many other great managers who didn't have the resources at Fergie's disposal and who left a mark on fans and supporters across club and even country divides: Bobby Robson, Jock Stein, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Brian Clough are names that come to mind.

I'd go for Bill Shankly myself. He built the modern Liverpool from scratch. He didn't stick around for 25 years but he laid the foundations for the future success. He was also extremely charismatic. There are so many anecdotes about his interactions with fans, journalists etc. He was highly principled from all accounts and I don't think I've ever read a story where someone has had a bad word to say about him.

When he started as a manager in Scotland he was though. It took him time to find his feet, just like it did with united.

United have always had he funds and the name to buy and attract decent players. He just needed time to find a way to get his team playing like he wanted, and building up a strong mentality. There is no denying that he needed to fiddle with his team, tactics and bring in the right players over the first few seasons.

2 seasons isn't much to ask. It's clear that the team are slowly getting better, while playing more attractive football. Rodgers did come in fairly late in the summer, he didn't know what the players were like either. He showed during the last window that he's getting a good idea of what needed to improve, and bought well.

He just needs time.