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Wether the glass is half full or half empty, there is always room for more alcohol.
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This boy is crack'in up"
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You should listen to yourself. Excuse after excuse after excuse......Is it not conceivable that maybe, just maybe, we're not as superb as we once were?  I love the banter... but I wouldn't say they are excuses. I think the poster suggested we weren't very good. I think we are. I don't think the team is comparable to the one that nearly won the league with Rafa, that doesn't mean to say that because it is not comparable, it is not good. I think our squad is weaker, but our First XI is close to being as strong as any we have had in the last 10 years. I wasn't alive the last time we won the league. In fact, I was born the first season of our dire run. If you want to blame anyone for the lack of success, you could blame me. I am the unlucky mascot. It's unlikely that you'll be alive by the next time we win the league either! ;-) nor any of us or our children if we have any, Spurs fans are in the same boat there 50 years and counting... I'm just not going to concede a poor squad, because I don't think we have one. I think it needs investment, but I am happy to allow that to happen gradually. Everyone can notice the mistakes of our previous manager in the transfer window. The investment to springboard a chance for Champions League qualification didn't backfire, it capitulated our chances for a couple of years. I have every faith that we will win another league title and soon. I would be surprised if we didn't at least challenge for one in the next 4 years. Spurs, Nottingham Forest, Villa. There are lots of teams that have won titles, and then not challenged for a while. I feared the same thing would happen mid-season a couple of years ago when Roy's progress was walking backwards into the fire. Kenny restored belief that the club won't fall away into obscurity, before his abilities as a modern manager slipped away. Rodgers is restoring motivation and drive into a young group of players that we haven't had since those glory days. Both have contributed in playing more expansive football than in the Benitez and Hodgson eras, bar the half-season where we pushed United for the title. And we have begun the process of building a team of capable young british players, with top talent from abroad, which has been Uniteds philosophy for years... I just don't see why negative threads like this help anyone. I'm a naturally optimistic guy, so hearing that players are terrible low-lifes and that my own club is dire just doesn't help the club move on. We were days/weeks away from financial agony and saved by FSG. I am happy to give them at least 4/5 years to rebuild the club. If that means right now, we are happy to settle for untested but highly regarded youngsters, alongside a faithful contingent of internationals then so be it. I agree that potential means little (current ability is all you can judge statistically) but there is also elements of trust, faith and well-educated judgement. Hodgson on paper was the best man for the job, and his reign was diabolical. Houllier was a risk worth taking, Rafa had the credentials and took us very close and then got lost amongst the inner-club politics... Sometimes the "well-educated risks" are better than the "best choices on paper".
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Carheex - a lot of the time I agree with you. In fact most of the time. If this was a heavy weight boxing match I would just edge it to jjmelling on points. But fair play to you, you stuck in there. Keep up the banter people it makes for a good thread!
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One of the things that I've seen of late on here are people exploding with anger, venting their spleen and going bezerk when some people are pointing out that Liverpool Football Club aren't very good.
There might be several explanations for this; Perhaps that's just wrong and actually we're the best team in the league and 'unlucky' or 'hard done to'. Perhaps we are quite good compared to most and the subjective phrase "Not very good" depends on where you want to sit and what your ideals are. Perhaps the anger comes from the lack of some people to realise that a phrase "Not very good" isn't a permanent arrangement - but perhaps just a temporary phrase to describe the club at the moment. Some of the anger might be that someone using a phrase such as "Not very good" are attacking their club and their team and their players and these things must be defended at all costs. Perhaps some people are going mental is because they see a phrase such as "Not very good" as being negative and not up to what you'd expect a supporter to say about his own club.
Many of those things are possible and probable. And that's fine if no discussion, discourse, analysis and chat is permitted about the position the club is presently in.
It seems clear to me - fact, in fact - that we're out of two cups, unlikely to progress in the last remaining one (That we've been mediocre in) and we're more-or-less midtable in an average league and likely to stay around where we are til the end of the season - give or take a league place up or down. For me that would suit the phrase "Not very good" to a tee.
The players for whatever reason aren't being consistant and in most games can veer from looking very, very good to very, very bad. The system is the same. Some weeks it looks fantastic and we look world beaters. The next we look like we'd struggle to knock the skin off a plate of rice pudding. The manager too seems to look incredible and wise one week and less so the next.
That's because... well.. no other way of saying it "We're not very good." To me that's a fact. It's not negative. It's not slagging off the club, players, fans, manager or team. It's just an observation of where we are. It's not static and stuck and it's not going to remain that way forever - you would hope. Rodgers was brought in and Kenny was moved out because the owners thought we weren't very good. Rodgers aim is to get us first of all past where we are and onto a higher plane. Our intial aim is to become 'good' once again. That means consistancy, some showing in the league and cups, a demonstration of the depth of the squad, the right personnel in and the wrong personnel out. But we aren't good yet. Nowhere near in fact.
But! Once we've secured our aim of being 'good' again (Which might well take a few seasons - again, we hope). Our aim then is to become 'very good'. Once we reach that goal then I'd say we'd be not only consistant, but regularly challenging for the league, putting in a good performance and actually be feared once again in the league. Even those that disagree with the words that we're "Not very good" can't really argue that we are anywhere near good - and surely they have to agree that we're miles away from being "Very good".
Discussion and hope are two things this forum does best. But honesty in that discussion allows the conversations and more importantly the points that you learn from able to be raised. I've probably learned as much about footy off here from certain posters as I have watching us getting tonked by A.N. Other side somewhere in Europe. It's not negative to admit where we are. Because we've always had the ability in the past to be "good" and "Very good" and our aim has to be just that. We have to stop being "Not very Good" and get to where we want to be. And that's going to take time. The sooner you can accept where we are, what we are, what we have to do and where we want to be then a lot of the anger will dissapate and we can get on with the job of supporting the club, manager, players and team. Because you can bet your life that they know exactly where we are now and you can bet that they aren't happy and they want better.
We're not very good. I've said it. Let's see if we can get better than that in the months and seasons to come.
What are you thoughts, are you guilty of thinking we're better than we actually are? I certainly am. +1
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jj you talk about our previous manager been wasteful, Suarez, Enrique, Downing and Henderson are all first team now, only waste was Carrol to be fair, BR has wasted money on Borini, Allen and Assaidi
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