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Not sure I agree with a lot of that Jay. How exactly is making a club look like a classic car priced at top money in need of a full rebuild putting us in prime condition for a takeover?

A side who have a spruced up stadium with increased revenues and seating and a team who are leaner and flying high in the top 6 is a damn site more attractive for any takeover aren't they?

Whilst many of the points you make could be valid I don't feel that there is sufficient evidence at the present time for it to be a foregone conclusion.

Fans always want it now and this lot are following the moneyball ethos they can deny it all they want. That doesn't however mean that it is destined to fail.

We are clearing as much dead wood as possible and continue to do so. There are still a number of players costing us a fortune to move on. I'd rather have a small squad with higher quality until all this is finally done with. Window is still open and if we get another one or two of Sturridge's level in I can't see what there is to moan about on that front.

if you'd read the post you'd have understood that I said that a lack of pace needs to be paired with a instinctive understanding of positioning. You clearly didn't seem to get that.

Try read them fully again

i think FSG would be fine if they had not had the Hicks/Gillete debacle. Scars still run deep and FSG quite often repeat similar drivel given out by the former regime. I do agree with your comments though and hard not to rule out such a strategy from FSG.
persnoally I know a little more than most due to shared business ineterests and FSG are doing a decent job(from my viewpoint).The professionalism within the club at all levels has increased significantly and more akin to a multinational company than a family club(as we often view it), his should be hreladed as a success but is often displaced as cold management.

FSG do however make several mistakes continually. A letter to the fans just does not wash here. Secrecy bordering on the obsessive also creates massive suspicion. Never there for bad news, which in my view indicates a lack of leadership.

'success has many fathers but failure is an orphan'

a CEO based in Liverpool would offer at least a figure head for FSG.

There are many positives but many failings as well;

Could this moneyball theory work? I know it has seen success in baseball but are there any rules, criteria in the MLB which mean it would be far more difficult to replicate on football? for example, is there any capping of salaries/spending in baseball, any advantages given to poorest teams, etc...? Does baseball have anything financial in place that would stop an owner doing a 'Man City'?

There is a salary cap in place but it is not a definitive and teams can pay a luxury tax for going over it. Teams like the Yankees have consistently high wages and pay a large tax for it but this is offset by merchandising, tv deals and ticket prices etc. The LA Dodgers were bought for 2billion last season by a consortium fronted by Magic Johnson and they increased wages hugely in a massive trade with the Red Sox but they are getting a new tv deal which will offset any taxes.

Moneyball could work in football in some respects but not as easily in baseball where each play is a new one in effect and players can be highly skilled in one area, ie home run hitters, and low skilled all round but get away with it whereas that doesn't really work in a non stop game like football

If we try and fast forward 2yrs we may be able to imagine the scenario. FFP would/should have showed it's teeth by now, if this is the case and i think it will have some success. Then LFC's big earners of Pepe, Carra, Gerrard, Downing, Johnson and Agger(maybe) will certainly be gone and replaced by players who are now early 20s and more than likely be on less than the players above.

the opportunity then is to buy, fees and wages are estimated to have dropped by 30%. Meaning the money will go further and those who are speant up (FFP 3 yrs rule) are unable to enter the market. Sort of first draft pick.

the flaws are obviuos in that the team maybe languishing mid table and not be an attractive proposition. Therefore the whole strategy depends on todays youngsters becoming tomorrows senior pros in age and quality.

i feel a mixture of the two, buying well now and bringing in the youth will certainly provide more stability.

its a matter of expectations and patience. everybody has different expectations and a different amount of patience. Either way whatever any owners do, there is always going to be bitch!ng. How about not spending money we havent got on [oops] players like joe cole and aquilani for one example.

Except from your last post, where the #&*# did you say that a lack of pace needs to be paired with an instinctive understanding of positioning? YOU,YES YOU said " you were not keen on Coates due to his pace, and then( second sentence) about him being loaned out, get experience,Sami Hyypia,blah blah GET IT RIGHT! Check your own previous posts, but don't worry there's no need to apologize. Some people always try to come across alot more intelligent than they actually are.