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Originally Posted By: Scainer
Seriously I think you need to support one of the following.... Chelsea, Man City, PSG, or Anzhi Makhachkala.


you = refers to whom it may apply to. If you need to ask then it probably includes you.



This isn't the kind of posts we want on here. Please respect people's opinions.

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That was me Scott and factually its proven Lucas does make the others around him better... Gerrard has the most assists 8 and 6 of those since Lucas has returned...

Anyway that's besides the point. FSG are not hear for the long term... They want to stabilise the club in terms of setting it up for FFP.. Sort out Anfield, there is another meeting today with the Council. Then sell the club and get someone else to pay for it all..

That is pretty clear by the lack of investment and movement on these issues.

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Does anyone think the Summer will be ANY different at all? Last summer it was 'clearing the deadwood, stablising the debts/wage bill etc...'. Every January it's 'tough to bring players in January'. This summer will be the same and I'm now seriously worried players like Luis won't hang around even until next season. That will drag out most of the summer, then it'll be too late and we'll sign someone average at the end of the summer and lfc will blame Suarez for jumping ship.

Sign Sneijder and show intent to the rest of the players. Or pull off a big signing now, Erikssen - someone! Did we even try for freebies like Holtby, Walcott or Llorente? At least show our current stars they're trying - not dragging out the transfer of someone we gave away a year ago.

Ian Ayre said the other day they have the money for anyone if they find the right player... Well, we're still actually releasing more players than we're signing...

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Originally Posted By: JayGB1982
That was me Scott and factually its proven Lucas does make the others around him better... Gerrard has the most assists 8 and 6 of those since Lucas has returned...

Anyway that's besides the point. FSG are not hear for the long term... They want to stabilise the club in terms of setting it up for FFP.. Sort out Anfield, there is another meeting today with the Council. Then sell the club and get someone else to pay for it all..

That is pretty clear by the lack of investment and movement on these issues.


it will take upto two years to remove the residents from Anfield. This is not an LFC issue but one borne from the councils ignorance to the situation. They have blamed both clubs for the degeneration of the area when in fact both are the largest contributors to the borough of anfield/Everton.

on the investment side I think we are finally starting to buy players we need rather than what we can get. If he is not available then we should not buy. All previous regime's have bought badly due to first choice being unavailable.
each player we add must be upto standard. Joe cole and Sahin were on 90k each a week and not contributing, I am lad they have been moved on quickly. FSG have alot to but I want them to make good choices and not hopeful ones like two years ago.

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Originally Posted By: JayGB1982
That was me Scott and factually its proven Lucas does make the others around him better... Gerrard has the most assists 8 and 6 of those since Lucas has returned...

Anyway that's besides the point. FSG are not hear for the long term... They want to stabilise the club in terms of setting it up for FFP.. Sort out Anfield, there is another meeting today with the Council. Then sell the club and get someone else to pay for it all..

That is pretty clear by the lack of investment and movement on these issues.


it will take upto two years to remove the residents from Anfield. This is not an LFC issue but one borne from the councils ignorance to the situation. They have blamed both clubs for the degeneration of the area when in fact both are the largest contributors to the borough of anfield/Everton.

on the investment side I think we are finally starting to buy players we need rather than what we can get. If he is not available then we should not buy. All previous regime's have bought badly due to first choice being unavailable.
each player we add must be upto standard. Joe cole and Sahin were on 90k each a week and not contributing, I am lad they have been moved on quickly. FSG have alot to but I want them to make good choices and not hopeful ones like two years ago.


Are you serious? Buying kids which is what we have done and letting go of senior pro's is a terrible plan.

It's not working clearly... And We're starting to buy players?

Err how about the 3 we've let go this window and only 1 in...

How's that an improvement in terms of numbers of playing staff?

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If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. I wish people would stop trying to put lipstick on the situation we are in.......... It's still [oops].

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to be fair our wage bill was big enough for a top four side. we are no longer in the top four and no longer have the income from the champions league.

and anyway, for the majority of players that have been offloaded during FSG's reign, how many of those can you actually say represent value for money? all of them were well over payed and we're not much worse without out them.

we haven't received any money from the joe cole deal so i don't get why this is a reason to suddenly bring in another player on the same wages. we payed him a compensation package to allow him to leave for free, thought to be in the region of £3m/£4m... still leaving us at a massive loss.

i agree with what some people have said about the owners, that the sturridge deal should have been made 6 months earlier and we were left far too short up front. it was a bad move from FSG but i think its too soon to start calling for their heads.

what are they supposed to do? throw more and more money at the problem? we've tried throwing money about, got ripped off and ended up with a load more deadwood. its about time we tried a different approach and focused on producing our own players. maybe players our cards close to our chest, making out we don't have a lot to spend is the right way forward. especially after all these inflated agent fee's being talked about.

january isn't exactly the best time to do business is it? if you can pick up one or two players with experience in english football or the odd bargain then great, if not you wait until the summer. we should have a decent transfer budget come then. but right now i honestly don't think another signing is going to dramatically change our season. andy carroll comes to mind

and get off tom ince's back. everyone was slating sturridge a couple of weeks ago, now he's come in and scored twice everyone has kept their mouths shut. if we do bring ince in we've got a player far too good for the championship. look at his record ffs, for a winger its phenomenal.



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Originally Posted By: want3d
to be fair our wage bill was big enough for a top four side. we are no longer in the top four and no longer have the income from the champions league.

and anyway, for the majority of players that have been offloaded during FSG's reign, how many of those can you actually say represent value for money? all of them were well over payed and we're not much worse without out them.

we haven't received any money from the joe cole deal so i don't get why this is a reason to suddenly bring in another player on the same wages. we payed him a compensation package to allow him to leave for free, thought to be in the region of £3m/£4m... still leaving us at a massive loss.

i agree with what some people have said about the owners, that the sturridge deal should have been made 6 months earlier and we were left far too short up front. it was a bad move from FSG but i think its too soon to start calling for their heads.

what are they supposed to do? throw more and more money at the problem? we've tried throwing money about, got ripped off and ended up with a load more deadwood. its about time we tried a different approach and focused on producing our own players. maybe players our cards close to our chest, making out we don't have a lot to spend is the right way forward. especially after all these inflated agent fee's being talked about.

january isn't exactly the best time to do business is it? if you can pick up one or two players with experience in english football or the odd bargain then great, if not you wait until the summer. we should have a decent transfer budget come then. but right now i honestly don't think another signing is going to dramatically change our season. andy carroll comes to mind

and get off tom ince's back. everyone was slating sturridge a couple of weeks ago, now he's come in and scored twice everyone has kept their mouths shut. if we do bring ince in we've got a player far too good for the championship. look at his record ffs, for a winger its phenomenal.






FSG have been sucsessfull in one thing. FAILING

They have failed in every single window thus far. They over spent and wasted money to begin with. No they are cutting costs way too far. Wage bill gone down by £30 million a year.. Where is that money? What are they doing with it?

I'm sick to death of the January window is not the based time to do business debate.

err Chelsea just got Ba for £7 million. Remy is on his way for £8 million. etc.. Jelavic last year...

They have had 5 windows to sort this mess out. 5 chances to sort out the playing staff. And they have failed every single time..

That is their track record. They are good at failing the club from an investment in playing staff perspective.

They have failed on the Stadium debate. Meanwhile the city of Liverpool suffers.

I don't see ANY thing which suggests a turn around in FSG's fortunes... Oh but dont worry... We'll sort it out in the summer... Always bloody next year!

What exactly do people see in FSG as owners that suggests they are fit for purpose? Cause all I can see is alot of blind faith considering the facts.

The sooner they go. The better... They might not be out to swindle us.. But they most certainly are not fit for purpose and will not take us forward in this current climate.

They have lied and failed at almost every opportunity.

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isn't the champions league income worth around £24m per year? does that not explain why we are cutting costs? our wage bill was already that of a top four side without the income. did they not sanction signings for kenny with the target of getting back into the champions league which we failed?

plus the losses we announced at the last AGM because the previous stadium plans went to pot from the previous owners? (can't remember the figure but I'm sure it was around £40m).

oh so chelsea got ba. so liverpool had a chance of signing him then? doubt it mate.
we have 3 strikers already at the club and play with 1 up front. suarez and sturridge seem to be scoring. borini is still unproven but there for cover. do we really need another striker?

january isn't the best time to do business, its not a debate. its a fact. its always boring and theres many reasons for it.

-all squads build their teams in the summer

-nobody wants to sell good players half way through the season (unless they're out of favour i.e. - joe cole).

-inflated prices. every player may have their price... but there a no clearance sales in january.

-foreign players can be a risk without prem experience half way through the season

in the last 10 years, clubs have spent 4 times less than what they do in the summer. FACT



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So FSG were right not to buy a striker last year when we were clearly within touching distance of 4th?

What exactly do you see in our owners which makes them fit for purpose?

Everton have not been in the CL for like 8 years. Wage bill is 74%... They seem to be able to fund purchases and wages of that magnitude.

Fair enough, You dont see the value which is clearly available in January.. Lets agree to disagree as opposed to running round in circles about that debate, It's clearly a waste of both our time.

But to have blind faith in our owners when they have proven to have failed at almost every single opportunity is not an ethos I subscribe to.

They have repeatedly failed both the playing staff, The mamagers, but most of all the City of Liverpool.

It's a ghost town mate and that is not fair on the residents regardless if they support the club or not the club has had a huge affect on the surrounding area's with no signs on development.

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