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To be honest KopProphet, calling anyone who doesn't agree with your personal views an XBOX generation fan is really childish in itself and shows that you don't have solid arguments to back up your views.

I opened this topic because I thought it was something we could debate as adults, not so that people would start insulting one another. I wdon't want this thread to get locked because some can't express their views without insulting other members.

A giant plus 1! KP used to put so much thought into his posts, and still sometimes does, but now its just belittling people who don't agree with him and the party line without actually contributing anything what so ever.

And before I get accused of just disagreeing with him, I don't. I want to give BR more time. But these things need to be called as they are seen to make the forum better with positive change.


On Rodgers, I said at the time Allen and ESPECIALLY Borini were the wrong choices at the wrong time. If we didn't have allen this season would it have made a large difference? Based on what he's done thus far (and that's all we have to go on so there is no problem in basing current opinion on that), no it wouldn't.

Borini some may point to the fact that he's injured and could have kicked on in that time. But his record is pretty average and for over 10 million when we were DESPERATE for a finisher was poor poor decision making.

Clearly Rodgers thought he would have another player in after loaning Carroll but it's well doccumented that he didn't have much money to secure one. He is at fault for that cause he spunked the budget on Allen and borini costing over 25 million, and whilst Allen has improved the first team a bit, he hasn't been integral yet (and I'm not talking about hollywood performances, he just hasn't been integral full stop), borini was never going to significantly improve us quickly enough. You have to build for the future as well as now, cause the further we slip the harder it is to get the players for the future. That's obvious.

The transfers are probably my big criticism of BR. In terms of how the team has done, we have played alright, and are only a few points off where the quality of our team deserves to be. 7th or 8th. So he's really not doing too badly.

I think some criticisms of BR's transfers so far are fair. Allen and Borini were bought for the future as well as the present, because they're both very young - something I think a lot of people forget - but with that in mind, I think it's fair when people raise the point that they may not have been the right transfers are the right time - particularly Borini.

The club needed established players for now, and although you need the balance between established professionals and future prospects, I think that maybe the balance was too far off, and too orientated towards the future, with not enough emphasis on improving the current team.

These players may yet prove to be fantastic players for LFC for years to come, but with the likes of Ince and Sturridge due to come in, you could argue that he's considering in the same direction - albeit Sturridge is a bit older with a bit more experience at the top level. I think a 3rd (loan) signing with more experience may be vital.

As for Allen not contributing, he won the club's player of the month award for the first month, and up until 4-6 weeks ago, he looked fantastic and an amazing signing. He has hit a bad patch since then and is not only not contributing enough, but he's making a lot of mistakes. That's no reason to forget that he started his LFC career off very well though. Hopefully he can regain that form sooner rather than later. Personally, Sahin has been a bigger disappointment than Allen.

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do you not think though that we bought into the new project of talented youth. we had to stop trying to compete at the top end due to prices and wages and the only way to do this is offer talented youth the opportunity to shine. Both Chelsea and City have a massive problem now in that young players are not so sure whether to join - look at Sinclair at City, and Johnson before him.

we have finally stopped trying to sign cast offs from other teams and build a young hungry talented squad. To abandon this now would be foolish. Look at Dortmund, Schalke, Ajax and even the next generation of Barca players. It's time we accepted the bumpy ride which is ahead of us and supported what we have.

on saturday BR made his first major mistake, bringing cole on instead of Suso, the future is the Suso's in my eyes. Earlier in the season he brought him on in the UTD game when we had 10 men, so why not now?

we as fans have to accept that we are two years away from consistency of any sort. but then we will have a young settled team.

Well the small number of fans on here who are always looking for opportunities to knock players and the manager are fortunately not representative of the fans who we hear at the games, nor indeed are they representative of the majority on here either, but they shout louder and persist longer, and with much more energy and enthusiasm. That's what makes one believe they exist in greater numbers than they do.

What's has that got to do with anything? Sounds a bit anti-out-of-towner to me. Do you think that going to the games makes you a better fan or means your opinion on the club is more valid?

It means that you are a lot less relevant than you think you are, and that unless the vast majority of fans are wrong, you know a lot less than you think you do. Apart from that it hasn't got much to do with anything since most of us know that already.

Very good post Bar, I think that you managed to hit the nail on the head, not the right transfers at the time. I have nothing against Allen or Borini, as a matter of fact I think they will prove more and more important with time, but I do think we needed someone else at the time, with a more proven record.

Brilliant post Marko.Totaly makes sense and it is my own sentiments exactly.Fans are being spoon fed garbage from the owners and the manager on the understanding that it is a plan in progress.It is nothing of the sort.It is purely a decline in standards, a decline in funding and a decline in ambition.Fans need to wake upto it and not be so ready to accept it as many are doing so.Fsg need to go and take Rodgers with them.

KP if you think aresnal fans never moan then you have obviously not read their forums of listened to the saturday night bbc phone in