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i'm so sick to f**king death of quick fix solutions....if we had gotten this manager and thrown 50 million at it, we would be in the top 4 or it's KD's, rafa's, BR's, FSG, gillett and hicks fault.
as for "the truth is hard to swallow", the club has been sliding for 20 years lads. this hasn't fallen on us out of tree or happened since the various american owners came in. we have been p!ss poor in the transfer market and in finance (and hence well below standard on the pitch) for years now.
i'd sooner see the club grow slowly on strong foundations and finish 7th this year and improving one place every year until we won it again rather than see some sugar daddy come in.
even if we had a sugar daddy like city do it'll still take a while. city spent over 500million over 5 years before they won it last season. FIVE years lads with FIVE HUNDRED MILLION.
in the past 8 years, spurs have spent almost 350 million. we over the same period have spent 370. spurs ain't exactly lit up the champions league either.
i think the owners are ok. they haven't given me an indication yet that they are either world beaters or the devil incarnate. this window won't sort liverpool out. nor the next one. it'll take a while no matter which manager is in charge.
BUilding on solid foundations doesn't have to encompass a huge slide down the league table though. I agree that it is better to take time and build on solid foundations, actually it is kind of close to my point. HAd Brendan taken a bit more time and slowed the transition down a bit, we would not only slowly solve our problems at the roots, but would also be performing better at the moment. As you said, there is no quick fix, but BR seems to have come in and is trying to change things all within 1 season or 2...and that is costing us points at the moment. I am not saying that had we got A top top manager we would be 4th, but we I do believe we would be better off in the leaguewhilst still being able to implement the canges that we want, just at a slightly slower pace.
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the season is not over yet. it's not even half way there.
i'd be hesitant to criticise the pace of change on the pitch solely on BR. for a start you have no clue or do you know for a fact what conversation has happened between the powers (ian ayre, fsg, br) at the club and what targets internally have been agreed (irrespective of what they're saying publicly). neither do it for that matter. or anyone else at the club.
i completely agree with you on the pace of change that should happen at the club. i just don't quite get how you can be so sure that it's solely BR and be so sure of that assessment at this point in the season?
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When a teams tactics are clearly not working on the field and the team is underperforming for that reason, it is most usually down to the manager... I haven't seen any top managers find themselves in 10th position in the league midway through the season, no matter which team they are managing....have you?
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Mostly because the top managers are managing the top teams I reckon?
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Or perhaps the teams are top because of their managers.....but irrelevant, the Russian national squad were nowhere in the international scene until Guus Hiddink took the reigns, and then boom, a series of great results and performances. Same applies to Italy, a great squad yet they had a poor manager at the last world cup and underachieved, that same squad lost only to Spain at the Euros..a good manager makes a big difference. Take a look at Atletico Madrid this year, not a team of superstars, one star player, yet they sit in 2nd in la liga, look at Rayo Vallecano with complete uknowns making huge surprises and beating Valencia in La liga, look at teams such as Ajax, beating the likes of City...the are all known teams but they aren't top teams like Barca, Real, Juventus, United etc...Shakthar Donetsk springs to mind, look at what thu are doing in Europe this season...without any superstars but a very very good manager.
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When a teams tactics are clearly not working on the field and the team is underperforming for that reason, it is most usually down to the manager... I haven't seen any top managers find themselves in 10th position in the league midway through the season, no matter which team they are managing....have you? In Fergies 1st year in charge at United (86-87) they finished 11th. At the end of December 89-90 season United were just outside the relegation places.
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When a teams tactics are clearly not working on the field and the team is underperforming for that reason, it is most usually down to the manager... I haven't seen any top managers find themselves in 10th position in the league midway through the season, no matter which team they are managing....have you? i'll write the line down one more time for you marko just one more time. we are not even halfway through the season. just out of curiosity, how would you rate him? but if you want a response to that...alex ferguson with man u in his first season. would you like me to cite another?
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True and I expected this to be brought up but you have to understand and admit that football was a very different game, let alone business, back then...can we afford to wait that long or will we fall to far behind to ever come back?
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True and I expected this to be brought up but you have to understand and admit that football was a very different game, let alone business, back then...can we afford to wait that long or will we fall to far behind to ever come back? It's 11 v 11, same as it always was and the best 11 win the major honours, same as they always did.
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I really do hope I am proven wrong and I will support BR as long as he is at the club but I don't see anything that shows me we are improving...that's all. I am well aware it's only halfway through the season. I hope we climb up the table an do as well as possible but at te moment I think the squad is underperforming as a result of poor management.
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