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Originally Posted By: Maxi88
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should Wenger be sacked?


No. I never mentioned Wenger. But if you are trying to compare the two then you are diluded. Wenger is a manager with great experience at the highest level. Has won lots of trophies, does well in europe, excellent transfer record, is intelligent and doesnt come across like David Brent. I also think his teams play attractive, attacking football with a proven end product.

I would take him in the morning.


I'm not comparing the two but merely asking if Wenger should be sacked 14 games into a season?

You have one 'fact' with which to use and that is the league position. Is the season already over?

Can you name me one manager that would be willing to come here that is guaranteed to do any better than BR with the current squad as it stands?


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he mightn't have a seat soon. i think we are wasting our time with him. i think the being liverpool idea was a terrible idea, even though it wasnt his, it has made a mockery of the club and manager and the more the poor results and performances rack up, the more BR is getting exposed. its should be rebranded beating liverpool.

we are becoming more like a political party than a football club. every interview is about appeasing the public, making excuses, focusing on postives instead of results. i think he would be a terrific person to work with the youth system, but he doesnt have what we need to turn this club around. he was always an outside shot. he has done some could things bringing youth through, but we are miles away from challenging on a serious level. not only do we lack depth and talent, but we lack back bone. we make every game difficult no matter who the opposition. (granted previous managers have done that too). its not about players either, there are a couple of teams in the CL at the moment that are playing out of their skin. they are not big budget teams, they are simply well oiled, well versed and well organised. they are enjoying their football and are ambitious in their approach.... and here we are fuucking about with stewart downing, joe cole and trying to convince ourselves that joe allen or shelvey might just be the next gerrard.

its all nonsense lads, we have been in this hole for so long that we are starting to see things that just aint there. with that said, i will never buy into the ridiculous (wum) arguement that we are no longer a big club. thats bolx. we are an absolutely massive club and will continue to be for decades to come. we just have the wrong people at the helm. again.


1) Being Liverpool wasn't his idea - you said it yourself yet blame him?

2) We lost 1 game in the last 10 against a good Tottenham team where we should have had a penalty and deserved more out of the game as admitted by their manager

3) we won this weekend yet you're on giving out about him?

4) He is being forced to play Downing and Henderson because of the purchases of previous owners. Allen started very well, has had a dip in form but will hopefully pick it back up now that Lucas is back

5) Lucas is back, a player whom BR said was going to be a crucial cog in his team

6) It is 6 months into his tenure, hardly a long enough time to judge if he can or can't turn things around, particularly as we are creating chances in games but just not converting them.

7) No manager would have us challenging with this squad of players

8) The teams playing out of their skins-
Everton- a well established playing staff coupled with a very good manager
West Brom - A very good manager playing good football and picked up 4 wins on the trot to catapult them up the table
Swansea- Laudrup doing an excellent job building on the work done by Rodgers and Martinez before him.

9)This is a completely new formation and ideology that our players are trying to play and it will take time to adapt to it. It took our defence the guts of 10 league and Europa games to look solid and then it clicked and we have kept 5 clean sheets in the last 9 league games. We have also only failed to score in 1 of those games

10) we are still a big club and will probably always have a relatively large support regardless of league position but that means nothing in actual terms when we don't have massive amounts of cash to spend on transfers and have a very small playing squad. It will probably take the next 2 windows to have a manageable squad going forward devoid of most of the deadwood of previous managers and more academy prospects making the jump to senior status


Maxi, I just feel that you will support BR no matter what even against your own expectations. Remember the 10 points you were expecting in our last 5 games to decide whether we were progressing or not? We didn't and I feel nothing has changed in your belief for some reasons.

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Originally Posted By: IanHorgo
Yes 11th in the league was a fact but does that really prove Rodgers is a poor manager? A man who got Swansea promoted and had 1 great season with them, now after 6 months u want him gone? And dont give me "he got promoted with Martinez' team" because my reply is "Rafa won the Champs League with Houilliers team if thats the case". Rodgers style of football is clearly the only way forward not just for us but for all teams, imagine if Barca fans gave up after 6 months a decade ago? Would they be playing as attractive and exciting football as they are no? U bet not. Also dont give me "we dont have the players barca have" because it took them time so it'll take us time. But I dunno seems your mind is already made up so not worth the argument.


It hasnt taken me 6 months to decide i wanted him gone, i have consistently said since he was appointed i didnt want him. I didnt think he had the credentials, and he certainly hasnt done anything since to change my mind.

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Guaranteed? He hasn't managed to turn around Chelsea's fortunes and they have a far better squad than ours.

Maybe it will just take him a bit of, you guessed it, TIME to turn things around?

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Guaranteed? He hasn't managed to turn around Chelsea's fortunes and they have a far better squad than ours.

Maybe it will just take him a bit of, you guessed it, TIME to turn things around?


I agree, about 6 months should be enough...

Although it didnt take Steve Clarke that long

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Id just let him have this one his mind is made up and he sounds like a doofus.

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Also made a knee jerk thread about BR's interview and completely took it out of context to suit his argument, tells us all we need to know.

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he mightn't have a seat soon. i think we are wasting our time with him. i think the being liverpool idea was a terrible idea, even though it wasnt his, it has made a mockery of the club and manager and the more the poor results and performances rack up, the more BR is getting exposed. its should be rebranded beating liverpool.

we are becoming more like a political party than a football club. every interview is about appeasing the public, making excuses, focusing on postives instead of results. i think he would be a terrific person to work with the youth system, but he doesnt have what we need to turn this club around. he was always an outside shot. he has done some could things bringing youth through, but we are miles away from challenging on a serious level. not only do we lack depth and talent, but we lack back bone. we make every game difficult no matter who the opposition. (granted previous managers have done that too). its not about players either, there are a couple of teams in the CL at the moment that are playing out of their skin. they are not big budget teams, they are simply well oiled, well versed and well organised. they are enjoying their football and are ambitious in their approach.... and here we are fuucking about with stewart downing, joe cole and trying to convince ourselves that joe allen or shelvey might just be the next gerrard.

its all nonsense lads, we have been in this hole for so long that we are starting to see things that just aint there. with that said, i will never buy into the ridiculous (wum) arguement that we are no longer a big club. thats bolx. we are an absolutely massive club and will continue to be for decades to come. we just have the wrong people at the helm. again.


1) Being Liverpool wasn't his idea - you said it yourself yet blame him?

2) We lost 1 game in the last 10 against a good Tottenham team where we should have had a penalty and deserved more out of the game as admitted by their manager

3) we won this weekend yet you're on giving out about him?

4) He is being forced to play Downing and Henderson because of the purchases of previous owners. Allen started very well, has had a dip in form but will hopefully pick it back up now that Lucas is back

5) Lucas is back, a player whom BR said was going to be a crucial cog in his team

6) It is 6 months into his tenure, hardly a long enough time to judge if he can or can't turn things around, particularly as we are creating chances in games but just not converting them.

7) No manager would have us challenging with this squad of players

8) The teams playing out of their skins-
Everton- a well established playing staff coupled with a very good manager
West Brom - A very good manager playing good football and picked up 4 wins on the trot to catapult them up the table
Swansea- Laudrup doing an excellent job building on the work done by Rodgers and Martinez before him.

9)This is a completely new formation and ideology that our players are trying to play and it will take time to adapt to it. It took our defence the guts of 10 league and Europa games to look solid and then it clicked and we have kept 5 clean sheets in the last 9 league games. We have also only failed to score in 1 of those games

10) we are still a big club and will probably always have a relatively large support regardless of league position but that means nothing in actual terms when we don't have massive amounts of cash to spend on transfers and have a very small playing squad. It will probably take the next 2 windows to have a manageable squad going forward devoid of most of the deadwood of previous managers and more academy prospects making the jump to senior status


Maxi, I just feel that you will support BR no matter what even against your own expectations. Remember the 10 points you were expecting in our last 5 games to decide whether we were progressing or not? We didn't and I feel nothing has changed in your belief for some reasons.


Because I can see that their is an improvement in the team in the last 10 league games. Yes we didn't get the 10 points that I set as a target. I suppose I should immediately turn against a manager that I believe in? I'd prefer to have a little patience and see how we get on at the end of the season. If you do remembe from any of our previous conversations, I have always said that I will judge BR on an improvement in the 2nd half of the season and not just 5 games.

Why are you so against BR?

It used to be that you didn't like the formation because you felt it left us too vulnerable defensively if I remember correctly but we have sorted that out to some extent now do you not agree?
Do you wish Kenny had not been sacked?

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Originally Posted By: blind_faith
Originally Posted By: Maxi88
Guaranteed? He hasn't managed to turn around Chelsea's fortunes and they have a far better squad than ours.

Maybe it will just take him a bit of, you guessed it, TIME to turn things around?


I agree, about 6 months should be enough...

Although it didnt take Steve Clarke that long


So when the next manager comes in and doesn't immediately set the world on fire, we sack them too? What sort of a joke fan are you

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Originally Posted By: IanHorgo
Id just let him have this one his mind is made up and he sounds like a doofus.


Its all about opinions. I may well be a 'doofus', as may you(although I have more manners than to insult someone Ive never met over the internet) but I am still waiting for you to start this 'factual' debate. Go ahead since you are clearly more knowledgable than me you keyboard warrior.

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