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Toys out of the pram . Im also expecting knee jerk, modern fan, internet something or other etc.
I dont like this culture that s developing where speaking out is treated with scorn and contempt. If im right, and i may not be, then we are delaying while the owners continue to speculate anf the manager continues to pick up his salary, at the cost of us genuinely competing and developing. Flames, whilst I don't agree with you (yet), I do understand this opinion. However, I suggest that there are times when it's best not to say what you think. We'd become a laughing stock (again) if we got rid of BR now. He hasn't set the place on light and the team is playing well enough, if only just, to justify at least keeping the 'BR out' signs away for now. The key thing is that there's no magic solution. There isn't a single credible alternative option to BR that promises success any quicker or at all. Hence I believe it's in the club's interests to give BR time and space to prove himself one way or th other. That means at least until the end of this season and, barring a disaster, probably next season too. That raises the question, what do we define as disaster? Finishing bottom half of the league might be. That's irrelevant. He must be judged on his results, not those of any potential incoming manager. If you were called in to a disciplinary meeting at work for under achievement, do you think you would keep your job if you pointed out that sacking you and replacing you wouldn't necessarily guarantee an improvement for the company?? Of course not.
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Toys out of the pram . Im also expecting knee jerk, modern fan, internet something or other etc.
I dont like this culture that s developing where speaking out is treated with scorn and contempt. If im right, and i may not be, then we are delaying while the owners continue to speculate anf the manager continues to pick up his salary, at the cost of us genuinely competing and developing. +1 spot on mate Flames, whilst I don't agree with you (yet), I do understand this opinion. However, I suggest that there are times when it's best not to say what you think. We'd become a laughing stock (again) if we got rid of BR now. He hasn't set the place on light and the team is playing well enough, if only just, to justify at least keeping the 'BR out' signs away for now. The key thing is that there's no magic solution. There isn't a single credible alternative option to BR that promises success any quicker or at all. Hence I believe it's in the club's interests to give BR time and space to prove himself one way or th other. That means at least until the end of this season and, barring a disaster, probably next season too. That raises the question, what do we define as disaster? Finishing bottom half of the league might be.
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However, I suggest that there are times when it's best not to say what you think.
I don't think I know any forums that operate on that criteria...
We'd become a laughing stock (again)
Make no doubt , lfc is currently a laughing stock already
I know what you mean about a forum, but I hope you know what I mean too. i.e. it's perhaps premature to draw conclusions just yet, and even if some of us have reached a conclusion on the subject, suggest it's best not to air it until the end of the season. I'm not expecting the forum to stipulate such an approach, but each of us as individuals to exercise some self discipline in the interests of the club. Don't think we are a laughing stock at the moment in the way we have been in some recent times. And given some patience, we have the potential of having the last laugh.
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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However, I suggest that there are times when it's best not to say what you think.
I don't think I know any forums that operate on that criteria...
We'd become a laughing stock (again)
Make no doubt , lfc is currently a laughing stock already
I agree, we became a laughing stock long ago: 'The Players plus the environment equals the behaviour’. David Brent, er sorry, Brendan Rodgers, our esteemed 'manager'.
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If you were called in to a disciplinary meeting at work for under achievement, do you think you would keep your job if you pointed out that sacking you and replacing you wouldn't necessarily guarantee an improvement for the company?? Of course not. You're wrong. If you're underperforming but your job is essential and the company isn't confident of finding a better replacement then the company will keep you and encourage you/help you to improve. I've experienced a couple of redundancy exercises at work. A points system was devised and initially an 'at risk' list of candidates is produced based on performance over the past x year(s). However, some people are then removed from the at risk if they're currently in essential roles, i.e. if removing them at this stage would cause harm to the client or the company. So everytime we consider the position of our manager we have to evaluate the costs and benefits. It's not as straightforward as just sack him on results. The timing of the sacking has to be appropriate and we have to be confident of being able to identify and secure a better alternative.
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'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
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i concur, in the most part, with what you say mightlfc. i we define the club against being league champions (at least that's how i would have traditionally identified as the club), we have been on a slippery slope for a long time, in it's finances, the lack of stadium, performances on the pitch, transfer dealings. yeah there have been exceptions of winning one of the big two competions in the past 20 years etc.
but there was a journo who recently pointed out that to turn around a ship that's going in the wrong direction, even if you turn of the engine it still drifts on further for a mile.
it's going to take time and changes in alot of cogs to turn the club around. the problem is not just a manager or just an owner. its the collective parts.
even if we were to change owner and manager tomorrow we would still need a stadium, we would still need to get joe cole off the wage bill, we would still need different players in, we would still be out of the champos and be struggling to attract the likes of edison cavani.
for what it's worth, i like BR. i think he deserves to see the season out at least and it's then that i'll judge him
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Hand on heart, wrong owners and wrong manager. We are still a big club, always will be, but the people at the helm are either ripping the [oops] or they are charlatans. Trying to pick out positives or saying we are a couple of players away is simply self pacifying . We are in the same nonsense hole we were in under G&H with RH in charge. It,ll take anothr over haul to change things. All this shiit about suddenly not having transfer money and BR spinning about average perfirmances is just all too familiar.
Sorry lads but they,re done for me. BR and FSG out. I honestly don't think any fans should come to that conclusion until 1st of February. FSG deserve the upcoming transfer window to prove they're not what many of us suspect them to be, and Brendan Rodgers deserves more time to show he can bring the team forward.
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Nice to finally see an intelligent and sensible post Bar, +1.
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They've already made it clear that they won't be spending big money or big salaries (and are trying to balance the books), which is why BR is after loan signings. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
It'd be interesting to see their net spend in each window whislt they've been here...
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