KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum CONFIRMED TEAM & MATCH THREAD V SWANSEA

Agree about Joe Allen. Didn't think he was awful by any stretch, but he had a few sloppy misplaced passes and more crucially, he gave away a few free kicks in dangerous positions which could have seen us punished for.

Cole was a disappointment. I'm not sure he even had a touch?? Thought he may have gained a bit of confidence from his goal in midweek.

I think Gerrard feels the midfield will be weak if he moves further too far forward and he doesn't have the legs to chase all the way back anymore, Lucas' return will certainly help the situation.

As far as Gerrard's performance is concerned, he wasn't fantastic today, gave the ball away too much but I thought some people were harsh on him. He does keep the ball so well (which seems to go unnoticed) at times when some of the younger players around him would have lost it, he has a very cool, experienced head.

What are you being so sensitive about? What is it I've said that's rubbed you up so badly? I'm not being argumentative - you're talking about "everyone is entitled to their opinion" yet labelling me as "argumentative" for having one different from yours?

You really need to pay more attention to my posts and what they're saying. I said that we could have won it today. I'm not over the moon with the draw - I wanted the win as much as you or anyone else, but a bit of perspective - a draw away to Swansea is NOT a terrible result. That's where we're at as a club at the moment, unfortunately. Like it or lump it.

It's another game unbeaten which for me is positive for the players mentality more than anything else, and the clean sheet and good performance of the back line will build more confidence for them. Way too many draws yeah, but hopefully in January we can make a signing or two that can convert these type of draws into wins. I know it's cliché but patience really is the key. We're short on options. There's nothing the manager can do about that until January.

Yeah I'm hoping that Lucas's return to the team can give him a bit more freedom in his role whether that's as a CM or an AM.

I'm also happy with the point. I see all the sense in what Bar is saying.

I think the cup is half empty and not half full sorry. I agree it could have been worse and we have got a point.
when you consider Chelsea drew with Swansea last week away a draw isn't a bad result but when you take the game today into perspective you'll see we should have got 3 points and I'm not one to pick fights with anyone but I just think this type of game is not a one off and this happens to regular for me. Where we play well and done get the points. I can take it all the way back to when dalflish was manager

Swansea beat Newcastle away last week.

unbeaten in 8 now is it? Pretty decent. I don't think a point against swansea is particularly impressive, but I think its where we are at as a team right now. We drew away to a team currently doing better than us, that can't be a bad result can it?

The worry is that we never look like creating clear opportunities, the system doesn't seem to be doing its supposed job. With a minute left to go skrtel and reina were playing it to each other? That's just dumb. This isn't the right kind of possesion, not much of a footballing philosophy.

We took a gamble on a young manager that works with young players and for not much money and plays a possession game. That's what he's doing. Our team probably should be able to get 7th with the right manager and he's about one game off of that so he's not doing too badly whilst trying to get the team to change their playing style. People need to lower their expectations if they are getting upset by a draw away to swansea. We will have many more days like this in the weeks to come.

Let's give this guy time to see if he can make the step up, he's learning all the time too. He's about one or two games short of the points I personally think this team should have. If there is serious criticism of him, it has to be in his transfers in thus far.

Ok yes the week before then .........?

Do you really expect that to change overnight though? Especially under a new manager?

I pointed out last week that over the last 3 seasons we've lost 39 games in the league, which is an average of losing 1 in every 3 games.

We lost 3 out of our first 5 games, which showed that the losing mentality hadn't changed a lot. Since then we haven't lost a game in the league and are unbeaten in 8. I think that's a more important improvement than the points tally will suggest. Maybe I'm guilty of being too optimistic about that, but I regard a 'hard to beat' team mentality as being vital, and a stepping stone towards a team that not only avoids defeat, but wins regularly. Is that naive? It could be - time will tell though - an away draw to Swansea won't.