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No, they're just realists about what our small squad can do and prioritise the league above the europa as is their right. In your opinion, the EL comes first and thats your right but don't start questioning fans loyalties because we all know where that leads in your case My loyalty is where a fan should be, by the sounds of it your loyalty is towards whats best for the football club which is the wrong way of looking at things. Whats best for the club and fans are two totaly different things, the club is all about making money and profits while a fan is all about winning trophies and success and here lies the problem, you want to finish 6th, 7th or 8th in the league while I want to go to finals and hopefuly win them, am not interested in how many zeroes are at the bottom of the Clubs balance sheet come the end of the year all am interested in is if we can put a trophy in the cabinet and maybe go on an open bus tour of the city showing what we won off, do you people remeber this used to be a regular thing for us. What makes me laugh is if Sterling was asked what he wants for his career at 16 years of age and he said all I want is to earn 100k a week, live in a big posh house, drive a Bentley Car, travel first class and stay in the best hotels in the world fans would be up in arms about it saying his motives are all wrong and they should be about doing well and hopefuly be winning trophies, now we have fans saying finishing top 7 and the money it brings is better and more important than winning a trophy, this is immoral in a sport and football sense to put money ahead of success, these people cant be proper Liverpool fans they just cant be, its impossible, Shanks would never accept money over that. So you don't care whats best for the club? Which in the long run is progression up the league and the top 4. Please don't question other fans loyalties, it makes you sound childish and ignorant. I also don't want to finish 6th, 7th or 8th. I want to see us win the league but the first steps for us to get back to challenging in future years is to get back in to the top 4. If I had a choice of winning the EL or finishing 4th this season, I would pick 4th every time. What would you pick? No one is saying anything about the top 7 being better than winning a trophy and I'd like to see how you can back this statement up? Can you also show where Sterling said any of these things? Or is this another baseless rant? if people are honest with themselves you will admit all we will finish is between 6th and 9th this season, we are a poor team and thats the bottom line, we were poor last season and we are poor this, three wins all season tells the truth and you cant dress that up, we are what we are. I used Sterling as an example nothing more nothing less to prove a point of how two faced supporters are, they would blame players for chasing the dollar yet at the same time they are doing exactly the same by putting a top 8 league finish and the money it makes the club at the expense of winning cups and having a little bit of glory, I just dont get how football fans can not want to win cups and see the team play in finals, never have and never will, football for me is all about hopefuly seeing your team win something wether you support Tranmere, Scunthorpe, Aston Villa or Barcelona, you want to win trophies...
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No, they're just realists about what our small squad can do and prioritise the league above the europa as is their right. In your opinion, the EL comes first and thats your right but don't start questioning fans loyalties because we all know where that leads in your case My loyalty is where a fan should be, by the sounds of it your loyalty is towards whats best for the football club which is the wrong way of looking at things. Whats best for the club and fans are two totaly different things, the club is all about making money and profits while a fan is all about winning trophies and success and here lies the problem, you want to finish 6th, 7th or 8th in the league while I want to go to finals and hopefuly win them, am not interested in how many zeroes are at the bottom of the Clubs balance sheet come the end of the year all am interested in is if we can put a trophy in the cabinet and maybe go on an open bus tour of the city showing what we won off, do you people remeber this used to be a regular thing for us. What makes me laugh is if Sterling was asked what he wants for his career at 16 years of age and he said all I want is to earn 100k a week, live in a big posh house, drive a Bentley Car, travel first class and stay in the best hotels in the world fans would be up in arms about it saying his motives are all wrong and they should be about doing well and hopefuly be winning trophies, now we have fans saying finishing top 7 and the money it brings is better and more important than winning a trophy, this is immoral in a sport and football sense to put money ahead of success, these people cant be proper Liverpool fans they just cant be, its impossible, Shanks would never accept money over that. So you don't care whats best for the club? Which in the long run is progression up the league and the top 4. Please don't question other fans loyalties, it makes you sound childish and ignorant. I also don't want to finish 6th, 7th or 8th. I want to see us win the league but the first steps for us to get back to challenging in future years is to get back in to the top 4. If I had a choice of winning the EL or finishing 4th this season, I would pick 4th every time. What would you pick? No one is saying anything about the top 7 being better than winning a trophy and I'd like to see how you can back this statement up? Can you also show where Sterling said any of these things? Or is this another baseless rant? if people are honest with themselves you will admit all we will finish is between 6th and 9th this season, we are a poor team and thats the bottom line, we were poor last season and we are poor this, three wins all season tells the truth and you cant dress that up, we are what we are. I used Sterling as an example nothing more nothing less to prove a point of how two faced supporters are, they would blame players for chasing the dollar yet at the same time they are doing exactly the same by putting a top 8 league finish and the money it makes the club at the expense of winning cups and having a little bit of glory, I just dont get how football fans can not want to win cups and see the team play in finals, never have and never will, football for me is all about hopefuly seeing your team win something wether you support Tranmere, Scunthorpe, Aston Villa or Barcelona, you want to win trophies... once again who is putting a top 8 finish above winning the EL? I asked you a very simple question. If you could choose between a top 4 finish or winning the EL what would you choose? There are currently 3 stand out teams that will more than likely finish well ahead of the rest (although Chelsea might collapse back in to the chasing pack). Arsenal are slightly above the rest but are flakey to say the least. With a lot of luck and 1 or 2 shrewd investments, we would have an outside chance of finishing 4th although I expect us to finish between 5-8 but with a better base going forward. Your Sterling point was a nothing point as it is all opinion and conjectures and absolutely nothing concrete. Football is about winning trophies but for the long term well being of the club, Liverpool need to get back in to the Top 4 otherwise we won't be challenging for any trophies.
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So you don't care whats best for the club? Which in the long run is progression up the league and the top 4. Please don't question other fans loyalties, it makes you sound childish and ignorant.
I also don't want to finish 6th, 7th or 8th. I want to see us win the league but the first steps for us to get back to challenging in future years is to get back in to the top 4. If I had a choice of winning the EL or finishing 4th this season, I would pick 4th every time. What would you pick?
No one is saying anything about the top 7 being better than winning a trophy and I'd like to see how you can back this statement up?
Can you also show where Sterling said any of these things? Or is this another baseless rant? [/quote]if people are honest with themselves you will admit all we will finish is between 6th and 9th this season, we are a poor team and thats the bottom line, we were poor last season and we are poor this, three wins all season tells the truth and you cant dress that up, we are what we are. I used Sterling as an example nothing more nothing less to prove a point of how two faced supporters are, they would blame players for chasing the dollar yet at the same time they are doing exactly the same by putting a top 8 league finish and the money it makes the club at the expense of winning cups and having a little bit of glory, I just dont get how football fans can not want to win cups and see the team play in finals, never have and never will, football for me is all about hopefuly seeing your team win something wether you support Tranmere, Scunthorpe, Aston Villa or Barcelona, you want to win trophies...[/quote]
once again who is putting a top 8 finish above winning the EL?
I asked you a very simple question. If you could choose between a top 4 finish or winning the EL what would you choose?
There are currently 3 stand out teams that will more than likely finish well ahead of the rest (although Chelsea might collapse back in to the chasing pack). Arsenal are slightly above the rest but are flakey to say the least. With a lot of luck and 1 or 2 shrewd investments, we would have an outside chance of finishing 4th although I expect us to finish between 5-8 but with a better base going forward.
Your Sterling point was a nothing point as it is all opinion and conjectures and absolutely nothing concrete.
Football is about winning trophies but for the long term well being of the club, Liverpool need to get back in to the Top 4 otherwise we won't be challenging for any trophies. [/quote]
There are four stand out teams, Arsenal have been playing Champions League for about the last 15 seasons. If you are going to talk about my Sterling point being a nothing point then you have just closed down this whole forum because forums are based on peoples opinions and what they think. I for myself would rather win trophies than finish top four and I totaly disagree with your point that you can only finish in the top four to challenge for trophies, Birmingham City and Liverpool are living proof that you can win trophies and not be a top four club, Birmingham even got relegated and still won one so that blows your point out of the water. I dont know where you get your ideas that top four is the be all and end all, Arsenal fans will tell you that by playing and finishing in the top four has'nt done them any good as they have'nt won a trophy in nearly 10 years so how has it benefited them, in fact our fans last season winning the Carling Cup have had more happiness and glory than Arsenal fans in the last 7 or 8 seasons so again I have just blown your point of view out of the water again. What is the point our club finishing top four and playing in the champions league, we wont win it and all we will ever do is appear in it much like teams like Celtic, Anderlecht, Benfica, Lyon ands Olympiakos ever do, so for me I would rather win your F.A.Cups maybe your Europa Leagues and some Capital One cups than finish top four, its all about trying to win the trophies which are achievable for me...
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There are four stand out teams, Arsenal have been playing Champions League for about the last 15 seasons. If you are going to talk about my Sterling point being a nothing point then you have just closed down this whole forum because forums are based on peoples opinions and what they think. I for myself would rather win trophies than finish top four and I totaly disagree with your point that you can only finish in the top four to challenge for trophies, Birmingham City and Liverpool are living proof that you can win trophies and not be a top four club, Birmingham even got relegated and still won one so that blows your point out of the water. I dont know where you get your ideas that top four is the be all and end all, Arsenal fans will tell you that by playing and finishing in the top four has'nt done them any good as they have'nt won a trophy in nearly 10 years so how has it benefited them, in fact our fans last season winning the Carling Cup have had more happiness and glory than Arsenal fans in the last 7 or 8 seasons so again I have just blown your point of view out of the water again. What is the point our club finishing top four and playing in the champions league, we wont win it and all we will ever do is appear in it much like teams like Celtic, Anderlecht, Benfica, Lyon ands Olympiakos ever do, so for me I would rather win your F.A.Cups maybe your Europa Leagues and some Capital One cups than finish top four, its all about trying to win the trophies which are achievable for me...
Teams can fall out of the Champions League places, thats what happened us. Arsenal are not on the same level as United or City presently No you were making a completely irrelevant point saying what Sterling wants. There are opinions and then there are lies dressed as opinions to try support your point. This is a forum and it is about opinions. Interesting for you to bring that point up when you try to claim what other people want for the club? If the Carling/Capital One Cup is the height of your ambitions then that's fair enough. That is not the height of mine. You repeatedly say in other threads that without the CL, we will never have the resources to compete. That is also my opinion and why most people see the top4 as vital. Why do you think we won't win the CL? If we got in to it, we wouldn't have the same squad we do now so that is all conjecture and opinion. We probably shouldn't have won it in 2005 or Porto in 2004 but shocks happen. Interesting that of the Portuguese teams, you picked Benfica and not Porto? Anything to do with the fact that didn't support your argument? Pick and choose I see. Those other teams, despite not winning the CL, do happen to fare quite well in domestic competitions thanks to the funds generated by the CL Now that you have finished blowing my point, would you like to end up like Birmingham? Win a trophy and relegated?
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There are four stand out teams, Arsenal have been playing Champions League for about the last 15 seasons. If you are going to talk about my Sterling point being a nothing point then you have just closed down this whole forum because forums are based on peoples opinions and what they think. I for myself would rather win trophies than finish top four and I totaly disagree with your point that you can only finish in the top four to challenge for trophies, Birmingham City and Liverpool are living proof that you can win trophies and not be a top four club, Birmingham even got relegated and still won one so that blows your point out of the water. I dont know where you get your ideas that top four is the be all and end all, Arsenal fans will tell you that by playing and finishing in the top four has'nt done them any good as they have'nt won a trophy in nearly 10 years so how has it benefited them, in fact our fans last season winning the Carling Cup have had more happiness and glory than Arsenal fans in the last 7 or 8 seasons so again I have just blown your point of view out of the water again. What is the point our club finishing top four and playing in the champions league, we wont win it and all we will ever do is appear in it much like teams like Celtic, Anderlecht, Benfica, Lyon ands Olympiakos ever do, so for me I would rather win your F.A.Cups maybe your Europa Leagues and some Capital One cups than finish top four, its all about trying to win the trophies which are achievable for me...
Teams can fall out of the Champions League places, thats what happened us. Arsenal are not on the same level as United or City presently No you were making a completely irrelevant point saying what Sterling wants. There are opinions and then there are lies dressed as opinions to try support your point. This is a forum and it is about opinions. Interesting for you to bring that point up when you try to claim what other people want for the club? If the Carling/Capital One Cup is the height of your ambitions then that's fair enough. That is not the height of mine. You repeatedly say in other threads that without the CL, we will never have the resources to compete. That is also my opinion and why most people see the top4 as vital. Why do you think we won't win the CL? If we got in to it, we wouldn't have the same squad we do now so that is all conjecture and opinion. We probably shouldn't have won it in 2005 or Porto in 2004 but shocks happen. Interesting that of the Portuguese teams, you picked Benfica and not Porto? Anything to do with the fact that didn't support your argument? Pick and choose I see. Those other teams, despite not winning the CL, do happen to fare quite well in domestic competitions thanks to the funds generated by the CL Now that you have finished blowing my point, would you like to end up like Birmingham? Win a trophy and relegated? you will find when it comes to the major trophies as in Champions League and domestic league money and power is King, I will have you a bet now without even looking at other countries leagues that the teams in the top four are all that countries richest and most powerful clubs, this proves my point of why its most unlikely we will win those trophies even if we are in the competitions. You are quite right about shocks do happen as we are living proof back in 2005, but come on, they are what they are, one offs, shocks, miracles whatever you want to call them, you simply cant rely in hope of that happening. I regard Benfica as a bigger Club than Porto that why I used them, nothing more nothing less, Porto caused a shock just like we did but so what, you gonna tip them to win it again in the next 15 years, thought not and neither would I. Wether you accept it or not Liverpool Football Club are no longer the big or powerful club we once was, its just the way it is and no matter how much you want it or believe it we wont ever be returning to those good old days and for that reason we have to train our sights on targets which we can compete in and win which means cups like the F.A.Cup, Capital One Cup and Europa League are all good viable targets we can with a bit of luck and building can win, this is why I cant believe fans wanting a top 7 finish ahead of glory, success and trophies, Arsenal prove finishing top four does'nt benefit you maybe the clubs bank balance at the most but certainly not fans and there happiness...
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There are four stand out teams, Arsenal have been playing Champions League for about the last 15 seasons. If you are going to talk about my Sterling point being a nothing point then you have just closed down this whole forum because forums are based on peoples opinions and what they think. I for myself would rather win trophies than finish top four and I totaly disagree with your point that you can only finish in the top four to challenge for trophies, Birmingham City and Liverpool are living proof that you can win trophies and not be a top four club, Birmingham even got relegated and still won one so that blows your point out of the water. I dont know where you get your ideas that top four is the be all and end all, Arsenal fans will tell you that by playing and finishing in the top four has'nt done them any good as they have'nt won a trophy in nearly 10 years so how has it benefited them, in fact our fans last season winning the Carling Cup have had more happiness and glory than Arsenal fans in the last 7 or 8 seasons so again I have just blown your point of view out of the water again. What is the point our club finishing top four and playing in the champions league, we wont win it and all we will ever do is appear in it much like teams like Celtic, Anderlecht, Benfica, Lyon ands Olympiakos ever do, so for me I would rather win your F.A.Cups maybe your Europa Leagues and some Capital One cups than finish top four, its all about trying to win the trophies which are achievable for me...
Teams can fall out of the Champions League places, thats what happened us. Arsenal are not on the same level as United or City presently No you were making a completely irrelevant point saying what Sterling wants. There are opinions and then there are lies dressed as opinions to try support your point. This is a forum and it is about opinions. Interesting for you to bring that point up when you try to claim what other people want for the club? If the Carling/Capital One Cup is the height of your ambitions then that's fair enough. That is not the height of mine. You repeatedly say in other threads that without the CL, we will never have the resources to compete. That is also my opinion and why most people see the top4 as vital. Why do you think we won't win the CL? If we got in to it, we wouldn't have the same squad we do now so that is all conjecture and opinion. We probably shouldn't have won it in 2005 or Porto in 2004 but shocks happen. Interesting that of the Portuguese teams, you picked Benfica and not Porto? Anything to do with the fact that didn't support your argument? Pick and choose I see. Those other teams, despite not winning the CL, do happen to fare quite well in domestic competitions thanks to the funds generated by the CL Now that you have finished blowing my point, would you like to end up like Birmingham? Win a trophy and relegated? you will find when it comes to the major trophies as in Champions League and domestic league money and power is King, I will have you a bet now without even looking at other countries leagues that the teams in the top four are all that countries richest and most powerful clubs, this proves my point of why its most unlikely we will win those trophies even if we are in the competitions. You are quite right about shocks do happen as we are living proof back in 2005, but come on, they are what they are, one offs, shocks, miracles whatever you want to call them, you simply cant rely in hope of that happening. I regard Benfica as a bigger Club than Porto that why I used them, nothing more nothing less, Porto caused a shock just like we did but so what, you gonna tip them to win it again in the next 15 years, thought not and neither would I. Wether you accept it or not Liverpool Football Club are no longer the big or powerful club we once was, its just the way it is and no matter how much you want it or believe it we wont ever be returning to those good old days and for that reason we have to train our sights on targets which we can compete in and win which means cups like the F.A.Cup, Capital One Cup and Europa League are all good viable targets we can with a bit of luck and building can win, this is why I cant believe fans wanting a top 7 finish ahead of glory, success and trophies, Arsenal prove finishing top four does'nt benefit you maybe the clubs bank balance at the most but certainly not fans and there happiness... once again who wants a top 7 finish ahead of trophies? making things up here are we Joe? Yes, the teams most likely to win the domestic leagues are the most powerful. However shocks do happen. what is there to say that we can't be one of the more powerful teams though if we do get back in to the top 4? There is nothing definitive about football so statements like we will never be the powerful force we once were are in no way fact or definitive. That is a possibility similar to when Man City were in the old division 2, it was a possibility that they would win the Premiership or it was possible that Leeds would drop down to league 1. Of course I wouldn't tip Porto to win it in the next 15 years but I would bet that a rank outsider will win it in the next 15 years because that is always possible
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i wouldn't start out strongest team. but i think we should be going with a strong team, we have to be in europe after christmas. and a win would basically put us through.
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i was impressed with; flanno, robbo and coady in russia, so i'd keep them in. i'd say hendo, suso, assaidi and downing had enough in them to win this game for us.
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There are four stand out teams, Arsenal have been playing Champions League for about the last 15 seasons. If you are going to talk about my Sterling point being a nothing point then you have just closed down this whole forum because forums are based on peoples opinions and what they think. I for myself would rather win trophies than finish top four and I totaly disagree with your point that you can only finish in the top four to challenge for trophies, Birmingham City and Liverpool are living proof that you can win trophies and not be a top four club, Birmingham even got relegated and still won one so that blows your point out of the water. I dont know where you get your ideas that top four is the be all and end all, Arsenal fans will tell you that by playing and finishing in the top four has'nt done them any good as they have'nt won a trophy in nearly 10 years so how has it benefited them, in fact our fans last season winning the Carling Cup have had more happiness and glory than Arsenal fans in the last 7 or 8 seasons so again I have just blown your point of view out of the water again. What is the point our club finishing top four and playing in the champions league, we wont win it and all we will ever do is appear in it much like teams like Celtic, Anderlecht, Benfica, Lyon ands Olympiakos ever do, so for me I would rather win your F.A.Cups maybe your Europa Leagues and some Capital One cups than finish top four, its all about trying to win the trophies which are achievable for me...
Teams can fall out of the Champions League places, thats what happened us. Arsenal are not on the same level as United or City presently No you were making a completely irrelevant point saying what Sterling wants. There are opinions and then there are lies dressed as opinions to try support your point. This is a forum and it is about opinions. Interesting for you to bring that point up when you try to claim what other people want for the club? If the Carling/Capital One Cup is the height of your ambitions then that's fair enough. That is not the height of mine. You repeatedly say in other threads that without the CL, we will never have the resources to compete. That is also my opinion and why most people see the top4 as vital. Why do you think we won't win the CL? If we got in to it, we wouldn't have the same squad we do now so that is all conjecture and opinion. We probably shouldn't have won it in 2005 or Porto in 2004 but shocks happen. Interesting that of the Portuguese teams, you picked Benfica and not Porto? Anything to do with the fact that didn't support your argument? Pick and choose I see. Those other teams, despite not winning the CL, do happen to fare quite well in domestic competitions thanks to the funds generated by the CL Now that you have finished blowing my point, would you like to end up like Birmingham? Win a trophy and relegated? you will find when it comes to the major trophies as in Champions League and domestic league money and power is King, I will have you a bet now without even looking at other countries leagues that the teams in the top four are all that countries richest and most powerful clubs, this proves my point of why its most unlikely we will win those trophies even if we are in the competitions. You are quite right about shocks do happen as we are living proof back in 2005, but come on, they are what they are, one offs, shocks, miracles whatever you want to call them, you simply cant rely in hope of that happening. I regard Benfica as a bigger Club than Porto that why I used them, nothing more nothing less, Porto caused a shock just like we did but so what, you gonna tip them to win it again in the next 15 years, thought not and neither would I. Wether you accept it or not Liverpool Football Club are no longer the big or powerful club we once was, its just the way it is and no matter how much you want it or believe it we wont ever be returning to those good old days and for that reason we have to train our sights on targets which we can compete in and win which means cups like the F.A.Cup, Capital One Cup and Europa League are all good viable targets we can with a bit of luck and building can win, this is why I cant believe fans wanting a top 7 finish ahead of glory, success and trophies, Arsenal prove finishing top four does'nt benefit you maybe the clubs bank balance at the most but certainly not fans and there happiness... once again who wants a top 7 finish ahead of trophies? making things up here are we Joe? Yes, the teams most likely to win the domestic leagues are the most powerful. However shocks do happen. what is there to say that we can't be one of the more powerful teams though if we do get back in to the top 4? There is nothing definitive about football so statements like we will never be the powerful force we once were are in no way fact or definitive. That is a possibility similar to when Man City were in the old division 2, it was a possibility that they would win the Premiership or it was possible that Leeds would drop down to league 1. Of course I wouldn't tip Porto to win it in the next 15 years but I would bet that a rank outsider will win it in the next 15 years because that is always possible but a top 7 finish is just what Rogers is sacrifycing instead Europa League and Capital One Cup glory because top 7 or 8 is all we have on offer, tell you what Maxi88 I am that certain that all we will finish is between places 6 at the very most and say 9th that I will have you a bet on it, if we finish top 5 I wont post again on this forum and if am rite and all we finish is between 6th or worse then you dont post anymore, sound fair because my whole argument is Rogers is placing a most probably 7th or so place in the league ahead of success, glory and trophies which I think is a disgrace.
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