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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Joe based on the immediate past (2 years) then no we have no chance of fourth. But things could change the team could become better than the sum of the parts (when was the last time we saw that?) and new signings in January could contribute. Our rivals could have an indifferent season and we could (with luck) pip them to fourth place. Likely no possible yes. And where its possible we (as fans) should strive for it.

Yep I'm up for that, I'm not one to give up till it's over either, nor do I appreciate my fellow fans raising the white flag while we're climbing out of the trenches either! Will we take 4th? probably not. Is 4th still possible ? Damn right it is!
What will it take to achieve 4th? some good signings in January, a lot of good performances and committment from our players, coach and manager together with positive and vocal support from our fans. What we fans need is a dose of Churchill's philosophy...we will fight them on land in the air and on the beaches...! What if he'd said, we have no chance, we cant win,
we will stand the army down and do a deal with my friend Adolf? No, no, never! Let's get some backbone and demand the Janurary signings, the performance's and the resources from FSG. Nothing was ever won by giving up before the race is run.

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Originally Posted By: EMP
we are a long way off fourth. the 1st half displays against chelsea and wigan were the worst so far from BR. if not for a bad wigan mistake that was another 0-0 frustration.
i don't like this 3 centre back formation he is going for, its pretty boring. if not for suarez we would be in an awful state


If Skrtel didn't make a bad mistake against Man City earlier in the year we would have won that game!!! If's and but's are bullsh1t. Fact is, we pressured them into making a mistake and took advantage of it!

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Joe based on the immediate past (2 years) then no we have no chance of fourth. But things could change the team could become better than the sum of the parts (when was the last time we saw that?) and new signings in January could contribute. Our rivals could have an indifferent season and we could (with luck) pip them to fourth place. Likely no possible yes. And where its possible we (as fans) should strive for it.

Yep I'm up for that, I'm not one to give up till it's over either, nor do I appreciate my fellow fans raising the white flag while we're climbing out of the trenches either! Will we take 4th? probably not. Is 4th still possible ? Damn right it is!
What will it take to achieve 4th? some good signings in January, a lot of good performances and committment from our players, coach and manager together with positive and vocal support from our fans. What we fans need is a dose of Churchill's philosophy...we will fight them on land in the air and on the beaches...! What if he'd said, we have no chance, we cant win,
we will stand the army down and do a deal with my friend Adolf? No, no, never! Let's get some backbone and demand the Janurary signings, the performance's and the resources from FSG. Nothing was ever won by giving up before the race is run.



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Originally Posted By: AussieRed
Originally Posted By: EMP
we are a long way off fourth. the 1st half displays against chelsea and wigan were the worst so far from BR. if not for a bad wigan mistake that was another 0-0 frustration.
i don't like this 3 centre back formation he is going for, its pretty boring. if not for suarez we would be in an awful state


If Skrtel didn't make a bad mistake against Man City earlier in the year we would have won that game!!! If's and but's are bullsh1t. Fact is, we pressured them into making a mistake and took advantage of it!


I know some on here think that we only deserve what we earned and that is fine, but looking back at two games, first Man City we had that won but Skrtel messed it up in the final moments, then the Everton game where we won it but somehow the linesman choose to raise his flag way after Suarez was celebrating. Its a real shame because we could be a lot higher with those 6 points.


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to obtain a top4 we will need 68+points, which equates to a fraction over 2points a game for the rest of the season. Our last 7 unbeaten run gives us 1.86points per game and the team is improving.

our steady progress and the fact that some of the senior fringe players are starting to contribute(eg Henderson, Enrique) gives me more hope than say 5 games ago.

I worry that the younger lads don't have a full season in them and that progress could be stunted by March if we continue to play them week in week out.

Also our competative set are not so consistent either which means they are still very much within reach. the return of Lucas now and then Borini in Jan along with a first team attacker(we hope) can only see us become stronger pots christmas. That said we probably need 16+ more wins between now and the end of the season and that does look a little daunting.

as Ive said before i am looking at us in 5 game blocks.
1st 5games 0.2 pts per game
2nd 5games 1.8pt game
3rd 5games 2pts game(2games in)

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nice one stato! good post cp. 22 games does indeed seem danunting. can't see us making that but it's a good target and really frames the challenge ahead nicely

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
Originally Posted By: AussieRed
Originally Posted By: EMP
we are a long way off fourth. the 1st half displays against chelsea and wigan were the worst so far from BR. if not for a bad wigan mistake that was another 0-0 frustration.
i don't like this 3 centre back formation he is going for, its pretty boring. if not for suarez we would be in an awful state


If Skrtel didn't make a bad mistake against Man City earlier in the year we would have won that game!!! If's and but's are bullsh1t. Fact is, we pressured them into making a mistake and took advantage of it!


I know some on here think that we only deserve what we earned and that is fine, but looking back at two games, first Man City we had that won but Skrtel messed it up in the final moments, then the Everton game where we won it but somehow the linesman choose to raise his flag way after Suarez was celebrating. Its a real shame because we could be a lot higher with those 6 points.
Your rite about if's and butt's, you could look at those points you make in a different way, Suarez should never of been on the pitch to score the disallowed goal against Everton also would we have secured a draw if we were down to 9 men because Sterling should of been off too, the Chelsea game we were helped by the ref missing the most blatent push of the season for Suarez equaliser so you see there are two ways of looking at it. I look at it this way, what you get and dont get equals itself out of the season, we will be both lucky and unlucky so why worry...

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