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yes because of the dross left and because of dalglish kuyt left who would have been playing now , plus because of the massive waste from dalglish FSG never give out the funds need to repair the damage dalglish left and for that managers previously

I find it hard to believe that a good manager cannot get us better than 8th at the end of the season. I think that KD would have improved over last year especially after that we beat City and United in the cups in a very bad second part of the season, but we'll never know.

You actually believe that?? Sorry, but I can't agree with that statement. Granted he spent £15m on Allen and £10m on Borini, that aside, he's spent f*ck all.

£2.5m on Assaidi, and Nuri Sahin on loan. I'd hardly calling that "reshaping the squad". And spending under £30m on top of shipping out a lot of players isn't exactly being backed to the hilt financially. Especially when you considered the owners refused him the opportunity to sign Dempsey for as little as £6m.

He certainly has not been allowed to reshape the squad significantly in my book, and I think it'll be at least another couple of transfer windows before we'll be able to say that.

I think you've put your finger on the elephant in the clubhouse there Stanley, people keep banging on about Rodgers, but FSG are the real culprits here. They signed a new manager and charged him with getting the wage bill down by shipping out a large wedge of the first team squad and then gave him peanuts to replace them. The money they gave him barely equals what they saved and in anycase wouldn't buy one top player let alone the half dozen we required. Yet everyone harps on about Rodgers, seems like the lazy and easy options to me. Apart from the their penny pinching on squad funding, our wonderful owners are now apparently proposing to penny pinch on the stadium issue, and there's barely a squak out of anyone about it. I suppose we'll have to be on the verge of administration again before people cop on to what is going on here.

Which of our best players did we lose, probably only Bellamy who wanted to return to his home town and he could not play regularly because of his knee. Both Kuyt (who was no longer starting games) and Maxi were replaced by arguably better players, Borini and Sterling. Stevie G has been starting most of the games (he was out for about half of last season) and Leiva is a couple of weeks away (last year he was out injured for the better part of the year). So I don't agree that our squad is weaker than last year. Maybe not much better, but definitely not worse.

Its obvious that teams with high expectations and ambition i.e. Spurs or Chelsea had no interest in someone like our manager that speaks volumes for me,however its not rodders fault he was offered the job and took it,like you say FSG have a lot to answer for.

I didn't say we lost any of our best players Vish, I said 'a large wedge of our first team squad' and I didn't say our squad is weaker than last year either Vish. What I said was BR was 'given peanuts to replace them'. If you read the post I was focusing on the need for people to start highlighting the futile penny pinching approach to squad building by our current owners. I'm sure you don't regard our squad rebuild as complete yet, do you? Also I doubt if you think the funding made available was adequate either, do you? I also think adding 15,000 additional seats to Anfield when we need 30,000 to match our competitors is an adequate response to our comparative revenue shortfall either Vish, do you? Those were the essential points I was trying to make.

Including the sahin loan fee, rodgers has spent over £30m and has been allowed to ship out whoever he wants, with no restrictions. That to me, doesn't suggest that fsg have been unsupportive. When you add £30m worth of players to a team that finished 8th, you are entitled to expect definite and tangible improvements. In total, he has made about a dozen changes to the squad....you may not call that significant reshaping but i do.

I don't blame the club for not sanctioning the dempsey deal. He had already gone over budget so the fault surely lies in brendan's planning and management.

i think it is unsupportive compared to the £100 + million dalglish got to spend .

"Made a dozen changes"? - most of which were players going out of the club. How you expect selling/loaning players out is supposed to benefit/strengthen the squad in any way, shape or form is frankly beyond me. As far as the young lads who've taken the step up go, BR's hand has been forced to throw them in because the squad is so threadbare. He fully expected to land one or two players on deadline day, and we know he was denied one of the players he expected to land, due to the owners overruling him.

You're including loan fees now?! I hadn't even mentioned any loan fees received or transfer fees received for that matter for the players who've left the club.

Until at least 6 or 7 of the starting 11 first choice are Brendan Rodgers signings, I don't think it'd be accurate to say this is his team. As faz has said, the "backing" he's received compared to what Kenny got, well.... there's no comparison. I fully understand it's a case of 'once bitten, twice shy' for FSG, but even still, Kenny was never the choice they wanted. Rodgers IS their man, and I would have thought/expected they'd back him a bit more than they have done so far.

Brendan went over budget before a supposed Dempsey deal, did he? How do you know this? What was his budget?